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Why are spread offense QB's being recruited to & signing w LSU?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:10 am
Was reading this article & noticed a couple of interesting quotes by Coach Miles regarding "spread QB's" & why he doesn't run the spread offense with the mobile QB's he recruited. It got me thinking, what are Coach Miles & Coach Cam telling these spread type QB's during recruitment to get them to commit to LSU? He specifically says
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the quarterbacks were brought in to run our offense-spread or not[/quote]. I know lots of LSU fans overreact & say LSU lines up in is the Power I & runs it up the middle 99.9% of the time, even though that isn't true, surely recruits & their high school coaches & mentors recognize that LSU is not a spread offense kinda team & Coach Miles is not going to do an about face & open up the offense, giving way to more spread tendencies over his ground & pound ways. Why would kids like Harris & Jennings commit to LSU over other programs who aren't as run first oriented? Is Coach Miles that good of a recruiter? If I'm a coach or parent of a kid like Harris, I don't know if I would "encourage" him to sign with LSU given the type offense Coach Miles is known for. Which leads to the next question, why not recruit a pro-style qb to fit [quote]our offense
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Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:22 am to TIGERFANZZ
Why are spread offense QB's being recruited to & signing w LSU?
What did you say?
What did you say?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:25 am to TIGERFANZZ
What's even more mind boggling is the fact that we let our pro style QB transfer, telling him we are going in a 'different direction'
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:45 am to TIGERFANZZ
For the same reason we're going to zone blocking on the line.
LSU's offense is changing philosophies.
LSU's offense is changing philosophies.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:48 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Old habits are hard to break, but Les will make the transition slowly. One spring and fall camp is not enough time to completely overhaul things. Plus, Les does not recruit spread QBs, he recruits mobile QBs who can extend plays with their legs.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:48 am to TIGERFANZZ
Well JJ was a drop back passer coming out of high school and we asked him to run the option, so who the fark knows.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:49 am to Chimlim
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What's even more mind boggling is the fact that we let our pro style QB transfer, telling him we are going in a 'different direction'
He's awful, so I'm not sure how he'd make a difference here.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
He's is preparing these guys for the NFL. They are young, just relax. If you can't see that Harris has all the talent to be a good qb in any system, then you are blind. He has mobility and arm strength. He doesn't have to run to be good. Seattle doesn't run a spread offense with Russell Wilson. Harris has the same type of ability.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Yet some of these kids are coming to LSU with hopes of learning a pro-style system so they can get a shot at playing on Sundays.
The spread might be the flavor of the week and winning games, but it's not bringing many quality QB's to the NFL.
The spread might be the flavor of the week and winning games, but it's not bringing many quality QB's to the NFL.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:30 am to kevg33
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They are young, just relax.
I am relaxed.
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If you can't see that Harris has all the talent to be a good qb in any system, then you are blind.
I can see that. I am not blind.
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Seattle doesn't run a spread offense with Russell Wilson.
The Seahawks could fold tomorrow and put Carroll out of a job, and I'd be even more relaxed. I don't give a shite about Seattle.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:37 am to LSUfan20005
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Yet some of these kids are coming to LSU with hopes of learning a pro-style system so they can get a shot at playing on Sundays.
They will learn how to block, tackle, throw the ball, catch the ball, secure the ball, run without the ball and run with the ball. All skills needed for the NFL.
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The spread might be the flavor of the week and winning games, but it's not bringing many quality QB's to the NFL.
First of all, Louisiana just doesn't produce a lot of quality drop-back passers.
Second of all, even with a run-dominated offense, LSU still manages to put receivers in the NFL - receivers that know how to run block, as well as run routes and catch.
The football talent coming out of Louisiana can't be hidden. As long as LSU is winning games and competing for championships, they will be getting on TV and therefore getting Louisiana recruits. As long as they're getting exposure, they will be picked up in the draft. It doesn't really matter what system LSU runs, as long as they remain competitive.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:41 am to LSUfan20005
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it's not bringing many quality QB's to the NFL
But that number is growing every year.
I think the goal is to run a verse Pro Set with some read option sprinkled in. It's all about diversity to beat the different kind of defenses in the SEC. For instance, the gameplan that can beat Alabama is much different than the one designed against Texas A&M.
I'm not saying it's going to work, because it sounds quite 'Crowton-like', but i see that as the direction of the program going forward.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 10:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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First of all, Louisiana just doesn't produce a lot of quality drop-back passers
Louisiana doesn't seem to produce many good QB's at all. Think of the past few successful QB's at LSU.
Rohan Davey - Jamaica
Matt Mauck - Indiana
Jamarcus Russell - Alabama
Matt Flynn - Texas
Zach Mettenberger - Georgia
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:04 am to LSUChamp06
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Louisiana doesn't seem to produce many good QB's at all. Think of the past few successful QB's at LSU.
Rohan Davey - Jamaica
Matt Mauck - Indiana
Jamarcus Russell - Alabama
Matt Flynn - Texas
Zach Mettenberger - Georgia
Those are all passing QBs.
Running/dual QBs:
Dak Prescott
Jordan Jefferson (holds the LSU record for rushing yards by a quarterback with 1,018 yards, and ranks fifth for career wins by a starting quarterback at LSU.)
Ryan Perrilloux
And a shout out to my boy, Herb Tyler!
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:22 am to TIGERFANZZ
quote:This is the wrong question on many levels.
Why are spread offense QB's being recruited to & signing w LSU?
First, what is a "spread offense QB"?
Does this mean some who runs a "spread option" like Arizona or Oregon? A QB who tends to run the ball a lot each game? These QBs are usually called Dual-Threat QBs, and they tend to run better than they throw.
Or does this mean someone who runs a "spread pass offense" like an air raid, a fun-and-gun, or a run-and-shoot. A QB who tends to throw the ball a lot each game? These QBs are sometimes called Dual-Threats (depending on the particular variant), but they tend to throw better than they run.
LSU tends to recruit the latter and not so much the former.
Second, LSU attempts to recruit and sign QBs who are good passers with a preference for good passers who can run.
LSU hasn't recruited QBs who would only succeed in a "spread option" offense. LSU has recruited "spread pass offense" QBs. Brandon Harris and Anthony Jennings are both throwers first and runners second.
Brandon Harris was labeled a Dual-Threat QB by 247, Rivals, and ESPN. However, he has as much arm as any Pro-Style QB.
Jennings was labeled a Pro-Style QB by 247 and a Dual-Threat QB by Rivals and ESPN. He won a regional Elite 11 QB competition and participated in the national Elite 11 competition.
For the record, I don't recall Rettig taking any snaps from under center while in high school. You would probably call his offense a spread offense.
The point being that LSU recruits QBs who can throw. It helps if they can run too.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:34 am to Salviati
Why couldn't Hayden Rettig be convinced to stay and develop?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:48 am to seinfeldtiger
quote:Were the coaches desperate for him to stay? Did they really want him to stay? Did they think staying was in Rettig's best interest?
Why couldn't Hayden Rettig be convinced to stay and develop?
Did he have a realistic chance of overtaking Jennings or Harris?
Was he a better passer than Jennings or Harris?
Posted on 10/10/14 at 11:53 am to Salviati
It was communicated to Rivers and Rettig that our O was going in a different direction for which their skill set wasn't a good fit.
So why did we recruit them in the first place? From what I've seen so far our O isn't that QB run-centric.
And as for it taking multiple seasons to transition from whatever O we were running to something different, there are numerous examples of coaches installing new systems in a single spring-fall season.
Until Les puts the '08 int fest in his rear-view mirror our O will rarely operate near capacity regardless of who's under center or how we line up.
So why did we recruit them in the first place? From what I've seen so far our O isn't that QB run-centric.
And as for it taking multiple seasons to transition from whatever O we were running to something different, there are numerous examples of coaches installing new systems in a single spring-fall season.
Until Les puts the '08 int fest in his rear-view mirror our O will rarely operate near capacity regardless of who's under center or how we line up.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 12:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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So why did we recruit them in the first place? From what I've seen so far our O isn't that QB run-centric.
This is the biggest question. The offense we're running is no different then the 2012 offense we ran in Mett's first year, no different then the 2011 offense where we actually had a dominant OLine, an accurate QB, and an all-SEC WR.
We haven't gone in a different direction at all, which makes me question the coaches letting 2 QBs transfer when the QB position would be up for grabs.
I don't know if its with QB coaching or talent evaluation. But since Jimbo Fisher's departure, the only QBs to have successful seasons under Miles have been seniors. Lee in 2011 and Mett in 2013.
Posted on 10/10/14 at 12:05 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:I've seen this thought posted before, but I didn't see the actual quotes. Do you have a link?
It was communicated to Rivers and Rettig that our O was going in a different direction for which their skill set wasn't a good fit.
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