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Is Our Offense Too Complex?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:40 pm
Yes, I realize that sounds ridiculous, but it seems our insistence on multiple formations and packages (a pro-style offense, in short) puts too much burden on the QB. If you need a 5th year senior to be efficient in your offense, it's probably too complicated. Maybe it's because we try to be good at everything that we're not really good at anything. We don't have an identity. We don't do anything consistently well. And we're not able to adjust on the fly. It baffles me that we have virtually no short to medium passing game and we can't utilize tight ends as even a remote passing threat. How is this possible? How difficult is it to execute quick slants and crossing routes? And if it's hard, why can everyone else (including high school teams) do it so effortlessly? Honest questions. I'm not an X's and O's guy, so these are just simple observations that most have already made. I just haven't heard a sensible response to any of them.
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:41 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
No Les but nice first post
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:41 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
hut hut hike
awkwardly toss ball to running back
run forward into pile of large bodies
2 yards, a cloud of dust to boot if we are lucky
like splitting atoms
awkwardly toss ball to running back
run forward into pile of large bodies
2 yards, a cloud of dust to boot if we are lucky
like splitting atoms
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:41 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
You have to be shitting me or else you are seriously trolling! 
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:43 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:43 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
Do you even know what complex means? The terms you are looking for are simplistic and predictable.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:43 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
No.
It probably was under Crowton (or just a bit too diverse), but it's been greatly streamlined since 2011 or so.
It probably was under Crowton (or just a bit too diverse), but it's been greatly streamlined since 2011 or so.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:43 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
quote:
No Les but nice first post
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:44 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
quote:
Is Our Offense Too Complex?
Do we even practice passing the ball? Doesn't seem like it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:44 pm to RedTigerRulz
No dude, just asking questions. Appreciate the non-answers, though.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:45 pm to LSUwag
We have like 4 plays
My brothers HS football team runs HUNH and every player knows dozens of plays out of numerous formations
So no
My brothers HS football team runs HUNH and every player knows dozens of plays out of numerous formations
So no
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:45 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
Yes it really is. It goes back to the way high school offenses are run. They are so simple that QBs need to be re taught how to play QB when they get to college.
How many times have we heard a QB is having difficulty taking the snap from under center because he never had to do it in high school.
How many times have we heard a QB is having difficulty taking the snap from under center because he never had to do it in high school.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:46 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
It would seem like, to me, be if our quarterbacks were to pass with a quality of competitiveness, which they do, our defense would in fact get those opportunities in the ball game to have a want to defeat the opponent.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:49 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
Our playcalling is what's so maddeningly simple and predictable and stupid. But the offense includes a variety of formations - none of which work, of course. This is something a lot of programs with better offenses don't do. Everything is pistol or shotgun or whatever. With us, we're I-formation one play, shotgun 3 WR next, diamond formation the next, etc.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:53 pm to ipodking
It really is complex. The qb must be able to read the defensive fronts and check to the correct play. Let's not forget that defenses often "stem" which means they line up in one front, then shift before the ball is snapped. I got a sneak peak at LSU's playbook and it clearly states that the QB has to identify the front, mike linebacker, secondary coverage, and then check to the run play with the least number of defenders. For example, when LSU lines up in a two tight ends, two running back set, the Qb has to find the side of the field with only 5 defenders over 3 blockers as opposed to the side with 6 defenders over 3 blockers. Running into the side with only 5 defenders gives us a chance at a 2 yard gain, as opposed to just hoping to get back to the line of scrimmage on the other side.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:57 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
I think so. QB is always confused every year. We can never do the simple things. Teams like auburn and a&m have a handful of plays with variations. Most teams look like they practice the plays they run and lsu usually looks like kids in the backyard making shite up in the dirt
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:03 pm to matsuflex
Exactly. The decision calculus for Auburn's QB is simple, really simple, as is their entire offense. They just run it extremely well, extremely efficiently, and extremely fast. And it works. We may run the freakin' toss dive a hundred times a night, but we're obviously wasting a ton of time each week practicing plays and formations we rarely run. If we just spread it out and asked the QB to make a quick read we'd probably, you know, convert a 3rd down.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:07 pm to Cleetus_VanDamme
No...
Complete opposite of complex.
When we pass the ball, it's slow developing routes with no complex route combinations.
When we run the ball, everyone in the world knows where it's going and knows we don't allow our QBs to check out of the run to a pass, regardless how many players the opposing D brings in the box. I'm convinced the opponent could bring 11 in the box, leaving a WR unguarded, and still wouldn't let our QB check to a pass.
Complete opposite of complex.
When we pass the ball, it's slow developing routes with no complex route combinations.
When we run the ball, everyone in the world knows where it's going and knows we don't allow our QBs to check out of the run to a pass, regardless how many players the opposing D brings in the box. I'm convinced the opponent could bring 11 in the box, leaving a WR unguarded, and still wouldn't let our QB check to a pass.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:14 pm to KG5989
Fair enough. Whatever it is, at least everyone agrees that it's not working. Except, of course, for the coaching staff, who, I'm told on here, know more than everyone else.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:16 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Everyone always talks about how the tight ends need to be more involved. But every time they do get the ball thrown to them they don't make the play.
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