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Teach me about routers

Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:22 pm
What can I do with them? All I do now is use the wifi. Why have a AC router over N if my down speed is only 50Mbps?

I want to access stuff over wifi on a hard drive. What am I looking for? I want to access my wifi in the garage. What makes a AC1200 worse than a AC1750 other than theoretical speed.

I'm looking for something under 100. I missed cads deal on the 56u. now I'm looking at that for 105 and a refurb netgear r6300 for 85 or a tp link archer c7 for 96.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:40 pm to
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I want to access stuff over wifi on a hard drive.


USB hard drive? 2.0 or 3.0?

Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:59 pm to
It's an old Seagate 1TB so I'm assuming 2.0. Don't know though
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:21 pm to
Best way to accomplish network access to a USB hard drive is to use a router with USB ports and connect it. You don't need any sort of amazing router because you will be severely bottlenecked by the hard drive's transfer and access speeds. You'd see no benefit from wireless AC in that regard, other than additional power to the antennae to increase reception -- and even that is not going to be significant on the cheaper AC routers. However, it's getting to the point where AC routers are replacing the good N900s in terms of price, so it's probably worth it to just grab one of the ACs if the price is right. If range is important, you want 3x3 MIMO at least, and the router should have external antennae:

This
rather than this


You'll get the best range on the 2.4 GHz band, but with one of the cheaper bargain 802.11AC routers, it's going to operate like a sort-of-crappy-or-mediocre N600 router unless you actually have AC clients -- and then, you're limited by the shorter range of 5GHz, which sucks even worse with 2x2 MIMO. However, this only matters if range is an issue in your house in the first place -- or you want range to extend beyond your walls, like the garage, by the pool, out in the yard, etc.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 9:22 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:22 am to
What else can I do with a router? I may start doing more stuff if I knew what they did or could do. I may even spend a little more to learn new tech.
Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
9320 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:46 am to
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Why have a AC router over N if my down speed is only 50Mbps?


quote:

I want to access stuff over wifi on a hard drive


This is where b/G/N/AC makes this difference..You will want to access this information as quickly as possible...You will only get the 50Mbps internet from Cox, but you will get transfer speed to this HD data at +/- wired speeds
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5060 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:39 am to
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What else can I do with a router? I may start doing more stuff if I knew what they did or could do. I may even spend a little more to learn new tech.


A router allows you to direct incoming and outgoing as well as internal network traffic. If you are outside of your network and want to access something inside your network, you program your router to direct the traffic to the correct location. This is done by setting port forwarding. As an example, I have 3 IP cameras around my house. To access them from outside my house, I use https:\\mywebaddress:91, https:\\mywebaddress:92, and https:\\mywebaddress:93. The ":91" at the end of my web address tells my router which camera I want to access.

Having a router with USB ports turns non-network devices into network devices. A standard USB hard drive because a network attached storage device. A standard printer becomes a network printer.

Another advanced feature you may consider is if you want a guest network. Some routers have a guest network so that you don't have to worry about friends accessing personal data while connecting to your wifi.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 4:26 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:46 am to
So if it has a USB drive 2.0 and 3.0 and guest network it has almost anything I need?

I was looking at the Netgear R6300 LINK

and Asus RT-AC56U LINK

I could step up from either if they offer any other options that might come in handy.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 9:48 am
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5060 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:37 am to
I haven't used Netgear in a while. Am happy with my Asus N56. As far as a feature set, they should give you everything you need. Anything more would probably put you into an enterprise class of hardware.

If you're not in a big need for a new router soon, I would try to wait a few weeks and see what deals newegg will have. They usually have a big black friday/cyber monday sale.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:09 pm to
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I was looking at the Netgear R6300 LINK


This is my router and I love it. However the firmware got corrupted once and I had to pay to get it fixed. When working it is awesome. Great range and awesome speed. I stream music over the signal while cutting the grass. My yard is almost two acres.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77941 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 8:02 am to
:cracks knuckles:

ok routers are wonderful tools if you get one that has a few features. without getting too brand specific (although i will point out asus in a couple of places) the capabilities of routers can make or break your residential broadband experience. here's a few terms and why you care:

AC or N?
tough call and ilike knows the nitty gritty of the AC standard and why he feels 'the best is yet to come' still for that standard if you just wait a little longer. having said that, i am very pleased with the AC56U i bought for $75 or so. i think at sub $100 you can't go wrong and it appears most of the cellphones we are using (and my new work laptop) actually have AC built in so bonus.

AC speed?
tough call, but i can tell you in the '5Ghz' sweet spot (downstairs mostly) youtube and everything else is smoking fast with no hiccups ever. 2.4 still hiccups occasionally on HD youtube videos. NOTE: Chromecast only supports 2.4 and "N" so don't buy an AC to speed up chromecast.

Range?
i'm definitely happy with the range of my network with the 56U but nothing takes the place of a 3 or 4 antenna getup on a $100+ N or AC router. if you really REALLY want a rock solid signal, get a router with external antennas.

2.4ghz or 5?
well i'd say about 30% of my devices support the 5ghz network so keep that in mind. 2.4 has a longer range and it can be annoying to have to switch networks (my phone will sometimes jump to the 2.4) and when youtube is stuttering i realize whats going on and switch networks. CHROMECAST: also be aware chromecast will 'see' your phone on the 5ghz network but will require you to switch your phone to the 2.4 to connect (at least for now)

Ok, so lets jump off the range/speed and talk about some of the cool things built into today's routers. i still don't QUITE understand all these and i have to get ready for work so i'll fill these in later this AM.

"secondary WAN"
cool concept that allows you to attached a tether phone or something to serve as a backup internet connection should att or comcast be down.

DDNS aka dynamic domain system
FREE use dnsomatic: name your IP address so you can always get to it from any web browser. you want your own named domain and you want it to be free.
quote:

DNS-O-Matic provides you a free and easy way to announce your dynamic IP changes to multiple services with a single update. Using DNS-O-Matic allows you to pick and choose what Dynamic DNS services you want to notify, all from one easy to use interface.


OpenVPN or hide my arse
ilike can talk about this..but it costs money and its basically to hide all your site traffic so nobody knows if you're browsing porn or surfing the deep web.

OpenDNS or alternate DNS
FREE, works in conjunction with dnsomatic - allows you to use a HOSTED SITE to selectively filter out porn, etc...the nice thing is there are literally checkboxes for sites like 'pinterest', 'instagram', 'facebook', etc. making this so much much MUCH better than bloating your local HOSTS file with eleventy-billion porn IP address exceptions.

at the moment i'm using google's DNS servers (instead of comcrap's) and its as easy as going into WAN and saying "manual DNS server" and typing
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4
quote:

OpenDNS is a free DNS (Domain Name Server) service which makes internet browsing safer and allegedly faster. By simply using their DNS servers instead of your ISP's you are automatically protected from their list of Phishing websites. However, in order to restrict a variety of adult website content you will need to create a free account with them, register your IP address and select the categories you want restricted (i.e. sexuality, nude, pornography, lingerie, grotesque, etc...). Since most of us have DHCP assigned WAN IP addresses that change periodically we need to instruct our router to tell OpenDNS what our new IP address is when it changes.


ipV6! do i enable this in my router? will it do amazing things???
i'll let rmerlin (firmware creator for asus) speak to this:
quote:

IPv6 deployment on the Internet is still something of a work-in-progress. At best, you will gain multiple IPs (assuming Comcast delegates a whole subnet to their customers). Right now (in 2014), IPv6 for home customers is mostly intended to provide them with a way to start experimenting and familiarizing themselves with IPv6. It's also an occasion to test things out, and find out which applications or devices don't work properly with IPv6, in preparation for the day where ISPs will run out of IPv4s, and will start allocating IPv6 to some of their customers. My personal recommendation is to stick with IPv4 for now unless you are willing to participate in this whole experiment.

NAS
already discussed, just get a router with USB 3

Guest network aka "samba"
mine is OFF and staying off because there's apparently lots of problems. RMERLIN again:
quote:

Samba will be an issue for the vast majority of routers or low-end devices. Newer versions of Samba are flat out unusable on those devices, because after version 3.3/3.4, it's become ridiculously large. Back when I was working with the wdlxtv project, I remember that Samba 3.5 was taking nearly 20 MB of flash space. It took quite some acrobatics for me to fit it in the current firmware partition.

Considering the higher-end Asus routers currently have a rootfs partition size of 32 MB, you can see how this ridiculous bloat is unusable, and Asus is forced to use a much older version.

Until the Samba team can cut down on the bloat and provide with a solution that's usable for small embedded devices, it will remain a problem. I doubt they will ever have any solution, so that means we'll just have to wait for manufacturers to start using larger NAND chips, and add more RAM.


custom firmware
ability to flash MERLIN or ddwrt (or whatever) on your router means a more solid product and better UI and better features with less crashing.

i'll dig into these more later
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 10:44 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:48 am to
Holy crap, more! I will have to look at this further. I always have issues with deciding between older tech with top of the line vs new tech middle of the line (Asus n66u vs ac56u) N66u has external antennas, ac56u is AC...
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:50 am to
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participate in this whole experiment.


For what?! I have no clue what that is.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77941 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 11:51 am to
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For what?! I have no clue what that is


then dont enable it in your router.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 12:41 pm to
Do you find the custom firmware to be better than what's already on the ASUS router? I like the ASUS interface a lot.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77941 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Do you find the custom firmware to be better than what's already on the ASUS router? I like the ASUS interface a lot.


RMERLIN is bascially the ASUS firmware on steroids.

from what i understand, he fixes issues; asus typically then incorporates his fixes into the next official firmware release.

he then merges the latest asus with his tweaks & releases his version shortly after.

so i think you do have the ASUS interface *PLUS* a few extra gadgets and dashboard UI elements they dont have and he disables stuff like the guest/samba network by default and other potential security holes and provides additional functionality like other DDNS providers whereas i think asus tries to push you to use their free solution.

in other words, i dont think you can go wrong using rmerlin.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:25 pm to
I read it is just a ASUS base and can be updated within a few days since it is so close.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:28 pm to
Cool. I am likely going to be getting an AC68 today or tomorrow. My brother owns a surveillance system company and a client overbought routers for their property -- bunch of ASUS AC68's. They gave him two of these in exchange for a drone flyover, and he's keeping one.

This will be an "upgrade" from my Linksys N900. The only AC client in my house is my wife's iPhone 6, but I'm sure at the very least, the 5GHz band will have better range on the ASUS.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77941 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:36 pm to


very cool.

keep in mind i'm a total hack here. i've learned all this stuff about the open DNS, etc. in the last month since i bought mine so i may not understand it all correctly, just going based off changes i've made in my router now that i got rid of my vtech router.

and yes, in case i didnt make it clear, rmerlin works very closely with asus and they share info and he simply updates his version each time asus releases an 'official' update so i think there's a very low probability you would run into trouble with his.

plus he's all over the smallnetbuilder forums and seems to answer any question about his firmware within minutes.


another topic I failed to mention is the idea of 'ad blocking' at the router level so none of your devices need to install custom browser extensions, etc.

i'm still not sure/sold on that concept but it seems to make sense that you'd want to block that stuff at the firewall.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22159 posts
Posted on 10/9/14 at 1:45 pm to
would you get the N66U LINK with external antennas at 129 or the AC56U at 105 LINK. I didn't bite on your original deal now I must pay.
This post was edited on 10/9/14 at 1:46 pm
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