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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:47 pm
What's the killer space here? Smart Homes/Buildings, Connected Cars, Enviro Monitoring, Ag, Smart-Grid??

What are the road-blocks? Security, Bandwidth, Standards, Government Intrusion? How do we stop fake sensors from spoofing the system?

Let's hear it!!! This is the TECH BOARD, not the phucking Phone Board!!!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 pm to
Go home, Fore. You're drunk.



Fore, Door - close enough.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 10:53 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:18 pm to
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Smart Homes/Buildings


Amazon is supposedly starting a "secret" push into this area. LINK / I'll be interested to see if they can bring the price down, right now they're too expensive. I don't need a learning thermostat, just one I could change with an app on my phone would be good.

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What are the road-blocks?


Consumer readiness is one. I was expecting the PS4/XBox One to become the hub of the smart house, but considering Sony focused on games and forced Microsoft to do the same and stop including the Kinect, it's not looking good for this generation. Maybe we'll be ready with the PS5 and XBox Two.

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Security



Even though we've been using wireless locks in cars for many years, I'm still a bit leery of things like wireless front door locks. Same thing with hooking up my garage door to the Internet.

They are doing a lot of cool things with robotics right now. We may still be a good bit a way from Rosie the robot maid, but maybe we can get a lawn mowing roomba soon LINK /
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:57 am to
day crew bump
Posted by TheChosenOne
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:09 am to
I think you nailed it.

There is obviously some current need/utility in wireless connectivity to your thermostat, TV, security system/cameras, and lights. I think a lot of the other uses (wireless locks, appliances, etc.) are just seen as a novelty.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 9:10 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:02 am to
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I think a lot of the other uses (wireless locks, appliances, etc.) are just seen as a novelty.


the new oral b electric toothbrush has bluetooth :nopunintended:

i want to laugh at the ridiculousness of this..but then realized i could use this to tell how long my kids are brushing their teeth and what nights they went to bed without brushing.

then i was like hmmmmm, here's a solution for a problem i didn't know i had until presented with the solution.
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:09 am to
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the new oral b electric toothbrush has bluetooth :nopunintended:

i want to laugh at the ridiculousness of this..but then realized i could use this to tell how long my kids are brushing their teeth and what nights they went to bed without brushing.

then i was like hmmmmm, here's a solution for a problem i didn't know i had until presented with the solution.


This is usually exactly why we see these "trivial" additions to things. People always just try to say they want to track them somehow or that it's useless. If there wasn't some person who had the issue and thought it'd be a good addition, it'd have never even been put in in the first place. If people weren't using it, they wouldn't waste the cost of putting it in there.

I wrote an app for fun to keep track of things in the refrigerator for my roommate and I. When you put in or take out something (for example, a beer), you just hit the plus or minus button, and if someone else is looking at it on their phone, they'll know what they have. It keeps track of when milk and eggs go bad as well and notifies you beforehand. It obviously sucks to start putting stuff in there for the first time, but it wasn't meant to be really complex anyway. My roommate was like "I don't think I'll ever use that. There's no reason to." Now, he uses that shite way more than I do. Every time he goes grocery shopping, he tells me how badass it is to be able to see what's in the fridge from the store to know what he needs.

Such a stupid, trivial little idea that took very little time to implement, and it ended up being incredibly useful.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:14 am to
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here's a solution for a problem i didn't know i had until presented with the solution.


There's already a better solution.

Red Dye Pills > Snitching Tooth Brush
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:18 am to
quote:

I wrote an app for fun to keep track of things in the refrigerator for my roommate and I. When you put in or take out something (for example, a beer), you just hit the plus or minus button, and if someone else is looking at it on their phone, they'll know what they have. It keeps track of when milk and eggs go bad as well and notifies you beforehand. It obviously sucks to start putting stuff in there for the first time, but it wasn't meant to be really complex anyway. My roommate was like "I don't think I'll ever use that. There's no reason to." Now, he uses that shite way more than I do. Every time he goes grocery shopping, he tells me how badass it is to be able to see what's in the fridge from the store to know what he needs.



This is a good concept, but I don't think it will be useful until your fridge has a camera and can keep the inventory itself. At the very least voice commands. I just can't see many people going through the effort of keeping inventory themselves even though access to the information is very useful.
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:31 am to
The singularity is gaining ground…..
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:31 am to
quote:

This is a good concept, but I don't think it will be useful until your fridge has a camera and can keep the inventory itself. At the very least voice commands. I just can't see many people going through the effort of keeping inventory themselves even though access to the information is very useful.


it allll starts somewhere.

i do NOT want to think about the marathon weekends i spent in the early 1990s on my little Mac IIsi sliding CDs into the computer & **MANUALLY** keying in the track names for each song. thought that was the coolest damn thing i'd seen in my life to be able to put an audio CD into my computer & show my friends that the tracks had names!!! WOWOW!

then a couple years later i discovered CDDB and was amazing you could push a button after putting your music CD in and it would "magically" guess the tracks & fill in the names.


then i discovered napster and i was like FML
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:33 am to
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Red Dye Pills > Snitching Tooth Brush


but can i fire up my 'oral b' app at work and see the accumulated time spent 'on teeth' for each kid for the last 7 days and red bars for the days they skipped out on?
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:36 am to
PS i thought instagram, twitter and pinterest were the biggest PIECES OF CRAP shite NOBODY WOULD EVER USE too.

instagram - take a pic and post online. duh. just do it on facebook. who needs a separate app for that? well..everyone apparently.

twitter - wow, group text messaging 160 characters at a time. stupid worthless shite.

pinterest - are you frickING KIDDING ME? a website to do online-scrapbooking? who in their fricking right minds would sign up for this? might as well add a singer sewing, crochet and quiltmaking site as well.



now i walk into michaels and the line is around the building with moms scrolling pinterest and buying frick TONS of styrophone balls and yarn.

i suck at the internet
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:43 am to
I completely agree. I never did it to ship to the masses. I was just toying with node and angular and made something for a little project I had with my buddy. Ever since, I've thought of ways to make it easier like adding a barcode scanner using an API to get info on it, but that would be just as much of a pain in the arse. Once we got everything in there once or twice, the database autocompletes while you type, and you just add the quantity. Like you said, though, until the refrigerator does it on its own, it's not something many people will do. He's an electrical engineer and I'm a software engineer so we're more likely to go through the growing pains.

What would be rad is if they started using NFC in packaging for that sort of thing. I built a prototype NFC app for "contact sharing" for business card distribution, and it performed really well. Put in the info, and you can write your info onto stickers, cards, wristbands, etc. and if someone has the app, it automatically starts it and adds the contact when you touch it to your phone. Nothing groundbreaking, but with that built into a fridge, it'd make this concept more viable. Touch the item to a spot, it's entered. When you pull it out, tap it, and it updates. NFC tags can be embedded in anything. Stickers, bracelets, business cards, etc. That's the only way I see it working in the near future.

In fact, one of the reasons I built it was because we wanted to make a "BeerBot" that was basically a moving ice chest with several types of beer in it, and it'd come to your location, dispense a drink, and go back to its charging stand. I got it avoiding walls with basic pathfinding using a Kinect for imaging and depth and coming to the location of the phone (approximately). In the end, it just ended up being too much work to really get done in terms of the actual moving parts. That app came out of it, though.

I went off rambling on the subject, but my point was that the idea was a really stupid and trivial idea. My roommate claimed he'd never use it, but in the end, it ended up being used way more than either of us thought. It was just a simple app built in a day that just happened to fill a need that someone didn't know they had.


Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:49 am to
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PS i thought instagram, twitter and pinterest were the biggest PIECES OF CRAP shite NOBODY WOULD EVER USE too.


I felt the same way, but I knew they'd end up blowing up, as well. I had a Twitter account really early, and I didn't use it at all. Suddenly, it was the easiest way to get in touch with your favorite celebrities? All of them had some pull that would get people in. Pinterest? Girls love to look hip, crafty, and trendy, and scrapbooking fashion, recipes, and shite basically gives them a way to openly "share" their great taste. It's like crack. Instagram? iPhone camera with cheap filters, and it allows you to post stupid shite like selfies, food, and whatever else without it being weird because that's what it's made for. They're all just ways for people to get attention for whatever it is they're doing without committing to sharing everything like they do on Facebook.

Damn, I wish I'd gone through with half of the shitty ideas I've had that other people have done for millions of dollars later.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:52 am to
quote:

I went off rambling on the subject


It was cool rambling

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the idea was a really stupid and trivial idea.


I think it's a good idea, but the technology isn't there to execute it properly yet. I don't know how easy it is to integrate the app with Siri/OK Google, but now that both listen without needing to push a button, you should be able to say "OK Google, I added a dozen eggs and a gallon of milk to the fridge." or "Hey Siri, we're out of milk now." That would make it much more accessible.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:57 am to
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Dijkstra


like your style. i have had so many ideas over the years too (i'm a developer) and bang my head when i see someone else capitalize on what seems to be the most trivial ideas.

dij; i think you're on to something. the smartfridge market is untapped mainly because no one is paying $4k for a stupid overpriced LG fridge with WiFi and shitty software.

no, you need to figure out a way to do this from a smartphone and a regular fridge.

i dont know what that looks like but i see it coming.

maybe something as dumb as a plastic template you roll out on each shelf of your fridge indicating placement of milk, etc. then later you can take a pic with your 'fridge app' of the inside of the fridge and based on a baseline of items in certain locations, you immediately get an 'inventory' of missing items.

i dont know..just talking shite out of my head but SOMEONE is going to find a way to make grocery shopping more efficient and i don't think its going to work if you have to spend $$$ on some stupid arse fridge with shitty firmware to make it happen.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 11:00 am
Posted by colorchangintiger
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Even though we've been using wireless locks in cars for many years, I'm still a bit leery of things like wireless front door locks. Same thing with hooking up my garage door to the Internet.


With 4096-bit encryption, using wifi locks, etc., are much more secure than actual keys. Just make sure you use a product that has encryption turned on by default.
Posted by colorchangintiger
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:00 am to
quote:

This is a good concept, but I don't think it will be useful until your fridge has a camera and can keep the inventory itself. At the very least voice commands. I just can't see many people going through the effort of keeping inventory themselves even though access to the information is very useful.


NFC, RFID tags, and making the refrigerator shelves weight scales would solve this more efficiently IMO.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:00 am to
is this where i point out that not only do i rarely lock my front door but i've gone to florida for a week on vacation and left a back window open so the cat could come & go?
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