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Does anyone else see this coming?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 12:36 pm to 504ByrdGang
Not quite.
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:02 pm to 504ByrdGang
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Does anyone else see this coming?
I'm trying to understand the question. Are you implying that John Salmons will earn significant minutes over an inconsistent, bad-to-mediocre player when a key player is lost for the season?
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:03 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I think he's trying to imply that he'll get undeserved minutes. But the big difference is Salmons is better than they guys he'll be competing against except for Tyreke. Unless they come at Tyreke's expense, the minutes won't be undeserved.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:07 pm to TigerinATL
They all look alike to me.
C'mon now.
C'mon now.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:07 pm to 504ByrdGang
John Salmons is a below average back up PG?
I'm so confused
I'm so confused
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:09 pm to TigerinATL
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But the big difference is Salmons is better than they guys he'll be competing against except for Tyreke.
How is that different? Roberts was and is a better player than Rivers.
Oh, I forgot that Rivers added 30 pounds of pure muscle, 6 inches on his vertical, and worked on becoming the new Jason Smiht raining shots from 18 feet...
Look, Rivers may one day surpass Roberts by a wide margin, but he still has a ways to go. I hope he does improve. We need him to, but he didn't deserve minutes more than Roberts last year unless we were going full tank.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:10 pm to 504ByrdGang
I didn't know that Roberts was interested in a goatee.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:10 pm to danman6336
I can see Salmons getting more min than reke in a lot of games this season like Roberts did.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:21 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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How is that different? Roberts was and is a better player than Rivers.
Rivers is young and full of potential and cost us a significant asset to acquire. People want to see him develop, not wasting away on the bench to give playing time to a guy that won't be on the team next season. I seriously doubt we're going to have people regularly starting threads saying Miller or Babbit should be getting Salmons minutes.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 1:22 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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How is that different? Roberts was and is a better player than Rivers.
Sigh. Again, there's very little statistical evidence that backs up this opinion.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:04 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
[quote] How is that different? Roberts was and is a better player than Rivers. [quote]
Ok Roberts blew, he had a good shot and could drain free throws, that's it. He's a good off ball second team guard. He has super bad defense and well below average playmaking ability, did you ever watch him on a pick and roll? I think I saw him hit the roll man on a pass twice.
Rivers is a better defender and I would say they push on facilitating an offense, and by push I mean they both suck at it. Rivers had a better catch and shoot 3 and Roberts was better shooting off the dribble. Rivers was a better athlete who could get to the rim and finish above the rim if needed, Roberts can make an open layup and takes too many midrange jumpers early in the shot clock.
Tldr- I'd take rivers over Roberts
Ok Roberts blew, he had a good shot and could drain free throws, that's it. He's a good off ball second team guard. He has super bad defense and well below average playmaking ability, did you ever watch him on a pick and roll? I think I saw him hit the roll man on a pass twice.
Rivers is a better defender and I would say they push on facilitating an offense, and by push I mean they both suck at it. Rivers had a better catch and shoot 3 and Roberts was better shooting off the dribble. Rivers was a better athlete who could get to the rim and finish above the rim if needed, Roberts can make an open layup and takes too many midrange jumpers early in the shot clock.
Tldr- I'd take rivers over Roberts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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How is that different? Roberts was and is a better player than Rivers.
Roberts may have been slightly better on offense, but Rivers was MUCH better on defense, IMO.
Roberts single-handedly lost us games last year with his defense
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:39 pm to TigerinATL
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Rivers is young and full of potential and cost us a significant asset to acquire
2 in the bush. The asset cost has nothing to do with their ability to perform on the court.
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People want to see him develop
I do, too.
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give playing time to a guy that won't be on the team next season
I guess we should sit Asik since he's on his final year. To hell with the product on the court.
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I seriously doubt we're going to have people regularly starting threads saying Miller or Babbit should be getting Salmons minutes.
So, we agree that the situations are nothing alike...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:41 pm to ShamelessPel
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Sigh. Again, there's very little statistical evidence that backs up this opinion.
Except for FG%, asst/to, FT%, and PER......
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Roberts may have been slightly better on offense, but Rivers was MUCH better on defense, IMO.
Roberts is as much better on O as Rivers is on D. Rivers is really not that good on D. That's a myth that internet fans created. Their steal, block, and rebounding rates are not significantly different. Rivers does foul at a higher rate. I guess we just have to assume fouling means trying harder.
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Roberts single-handedly lost us games last year with his defense
This is an unqualified statement.
True Shooting %:
Roberts .529
Rivers .482
Posted on 9/30/14 at 2:59 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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2 in the bush. The asset cost has nothing to do with their ability to perform on the court.
No, but it has everything to do with fan desires to see the asset perform. The whole point of the OP is that this would be another "which bench player should be our starter" controversy, but unless Tyreke is involved, I don't foresee a controversy.
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I guess we should sit Asik since he's on his final year.
Asik sized strawman. He's not going anywhere unless the season is a disaster.
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So, we agree that the situations are nothing alike..
If you weren't so hell bent on being argumentative you'd have realized that my point was that the situations weren't comparable. But you saw Rivers' name next to some words that weren't negative and knee jerked like you're a bizarro Shameless Pel.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:01 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Galactic Inquisitor
Roberts isn't even on the team anymore. Just drop it and eat your crow this year.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:05 pm to TigerinATL
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He's not going anywhere unless the season is a disaster.
How are you so confident? Because we can sign him into a Bird exception? That doesn't stop other teams from signing him into space. We all want to believe he won't leave because that would make it a terrible deal, but there is nothing stopping him from walking.
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If you weren't so hell bent on being argumentative you'd have realized that my point was that the situations weren't comparable. But you saw Rivers' name next to some words that weren't negative and knee jerked like you're a bizarro Shameless Pel.
A little defensive today?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 3:11 pm to ShamelessPel
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Just drop it and eat your crow this year.
Why would I eat crow? Nothing I have said is incorrect. Until Rivers performs better than Roberts, I will continue to say Roberts is better than Rivers.
We've established that you can't be objective when it comes to Austin Rivers. If Rivers becomes an average NBA player or better this year, I'll be happy for him and the team.
ETA - I didn't create a thread about Brian Roberts.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 3:12 pm
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