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Let's Discuss The Use of Computer Drafting Tools
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:02 am
I've been league commissioner of the same league for 12 years. We have a very good history of participation and fair rule changes. Though we tend to use majority rules for league changes, there have been times when I've simply had to enforce changes myself for the betterment of the league. Nothing that's ever been done has backfired. (the most controversial was refusing to add an additional bench spot, we currently have 6)
We've been doing live in person drafts for about 7-8 years now. The past couple years there has been a growing complaint about the use of electronics during the draft. We've always moved right on through because most complaints didn't carry much weight.
The argument FOR the use of them is that everyone has the ability to use the same website or apps. Most websites and apps are simply rankings and don't offer anything more than a simple print out.
However the recent issue managers have now is the use of drafting systems that help you make choices. There are websites (fantasypros) with complex algorithms compiling information from 100s of analysts that spits out the best percentage choice for multiple players at the time of your pick. You might as well just sit at home and auto draft.
My team(s) this year are TERRIBLE. I did not prepare, i did not research, i went into the draft dry and it shows (real life responsibility sucks at times). However if i would have used a tool such as "fantasypros draft wizard" then maybe my draft could have come out better. who knows?
I have not been a big proponent against this because i've won before. so frankly i don't really care. but it is my responsibility to care, and in my opinion no one should be using something that gives you tips on how/who to draft.
I am not against the use of apps like Rotowire, which is simply a draft organization program with rankings, has nothing more than a piece of paper with rankings would. I'm also not against anyone googling however many sets of cheat sheets they can find. BUT when you have a program that can compile all that information and give you the best possible choice at that point in the draft, then something doesn't feel right.
Our drafts used to be fun, and they still are. but everyone staring at a computer screen takes away from it a little.
not to mention that wi-fi went out for half the people drafting this year. that didn't go over well.
My current opinion is that no one should use a program that gives you tips as you draft. Not as worried about the advantages you might have as much as the removal of personal accountability and taking away some of the innocence of the game. (getting EMO here)
My solution(s) would be:
1. prohibit the use of drafting tools/software that gives recommendations while drafting. this would still allow for use of laptops and ipads for other things while drafting.
2. completely prohibit any use of electronics while drafting. only thing permitted would be a cell phone to look up injury status.
what is your opinion on using these drafting tools?
We've been doing live in person drafts for about 7-8 years now. The past couple years there has been a growing complaint about the use of electronics during the draft. We've always moved right on through because most complaints didn't carry much weight.
The argument FOR the use of them is that everyone has the ability to use the same website or apps. Most websites and apps are simply rankings and don't offer anything more than a simple print out.
However the recent issue managers have now is the use of drafting systems that help you make choices. There are websites (fantasypros) with complex algorithms compiling information from 100s of analysts that spits out the best percentage choice for multiple players at the time of your pick. You might as well just sit at home and auto draft.
My team(s) this year are TERRIBLE. I did not prepare, i did not research, i went into the draft dry and it shows (real life responsibility sucks at times). However if i would have used a tool such as "fantasypros draft wizard" then maybe my draft could have come out better. who knows?
I have not been a big proponent against this because i've won before. so frankly i don't really care. but it is my responsibility to care, and in my opinion no one should be using something that gives you tips on how/who to draft.
I am not against the use of apps like Rotowire, which is simply a draft organization program with rankings, has nothing more than a piece of paper with rankings would. I'm also not against anyone googling however many sets of cheat sheets they can find. BUT when you have a program that can compile all that information and give you the best possible choice at that point in the draft, then something doesn't feel right.
Our drafts used to be fun, and they still are. but everyone staring at a computer screen takes away from it a little.
not to mention that wi-fi went out for half the people drafting this year. that didn't go over well.
My current opinion is that no one should use a program that gives you tips as you draft. Not as worried about the advantages you might have as much as the removal of personal accountability and taking away some of the innocence of the game. (getting EMO here)
My solution(s) would be:
1. prohibit the use of drafting tools/software that gives recommendations while drafting. this would still allow for use of laptops and ipads for other things while drafting.
2. completely prohibit any use of electronics while drafting. only thing permitted would be a cell phone to look up injury status.
what is your opinion on using these drafting tools?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:07 am to donRANDOMnumbers
quote:
what is your opinion on using these drafting tools?
If everyone has access to them, then its fair game. If you have to pay for them, it is fair game. Some people are willing to put forth more effort than others, don't penalize them for it. If you are playing for money or just pride it doesn't matter, if you want to be competitive keep up with the trends if not, your team will likely suffer.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:20 am to donRANDOMnumbers
sounds like you are a whiny bitch because your team sucks
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:28 am to donRANDOMnumbers
I don't see how this stuff really helps, I've played in many many leagues and the guys who use the tools and spend money on all of this stuff don't do better than those who don't.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:30 am to donRANDOMnumbers
That's a huge wall of whine right there.
Fantasy "experts" can't predict the future.
Fantasy "experts" can't predict the future.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:31 am to CE Tiger
quote:
sounds like you are a whiny bitch because your team sucks
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:32 am to donRANDOMnumbers
The way I see it is that fantasy football is mostly luck even the "analysts" like Matthew Berry will tell you luck is the majority factor in fantasy. There are too many variables (injuries, depth chart, playing time, decline in career, etc.) involved for it not to be.
So let anyone and everyone use whatever new "tool" they think will help them, or just draft Luck.
So let anyone and everyone use whatever new "tool" they think will help them, or just draft Luck.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:33 am to donRANDOMnumbers
quote:You mean like a top 300 list?
BUT when you have a program that can compile all that information and give you the best possible choice at that point in the draft, then something doesn't feel right.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:33 am to donRANDOMnumbers
In general, rankings are bullshite. It's a crutch.
Everyone forgets that draft order is based off a bunch of "experts" telling us who the top players are?
Ever wonder why first-round drafts are usually RB heavy? Because that's what the "experts" say
I remember obe draft years ago someone picked a rookie and said something to the effect of "I have no idea who this is but "____" ranking site has them listed high
Everyone forgets that draft order is based off a bunch of "experts" telling us who the top players are?
Ever wonder why first-round drafts are usually RB heavy? Because that's what the "experts" say
I remember obe draft years ago someone picked a rookie and said something to the effect of "I have no idea who this is but "____" ranking site has them listed high
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:34 am to schexyoung
quote:There is some luck involved yes but there's also a lot of skill involved. I'll say 75 skill 25 luck. How else would you explain my regular league where 2 guys make the playoffs 95% of the time, 2 guys never make the playoffs and everyone else is fighting for spots.
The way I see it is that fantasy football is mostly luck even the "analysts" like Matthew Berry will tell you luck is the majority factor in fantasy.
quote:All of these factors can and should be weighed when deciding who you draft.
There are too many variables (injuries, depth chart, playing time, decline in career, etc.) involved for it not to be.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:44 am to Boomshockalocka
I don't have a problem with whatever people want to use, as far as a competitive advantage goes... When you have a bunch of nerds playing on their computer every pick of a live draft, it takes a lot of the fun out of it.
It should be more about drinking beer and cutting up with your friends, less about getting every competitive edge you can. It's more about luck anyways. Pay attention and stay active on the wires and you can make up a lot of ground if you have a bad draft.
Big money leagues are different I guess, I just play for small money.
It should be more about drinking beer and cutting up with your friends, less about getting every competitive edge you can. It's more about luck anyways. Pay attention and stay active on the wires and you can make up a lot of ground if you have a bad draft.
Big money leagues are different I guess, I just play for small money.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:46 am to DownSouthDave
quote:That's what FF is to you. It's different for everyone.
It should be more about drinking beer and cutting up with your friends, less about getting every competitive edge you can.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:50 am to boom roasted
I suppose. I just don't see the point in going full FF retard when it doesn't really give you an edge. Injuries, assaults and a bunch of other things play into it more than any computer program can predict. Might as well relax, throw back a cold one and have a good time. Get your face out of the computer for a few minutes and enjoy yourself.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:50 am to DownSouthDave
quote:
Big money leagues are different I guess, I just play for small money.
quote:
It's more about luck anyways.
Yea small money leagues usually have people who aren't as serious so there's more 'luck' involved because most of the players don't know what they are doing.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:50 am to DownSouthDave
Like I said, some people enjoy that.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:52 am to Boomshockalocka
I wouldn't say that necessarily.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:53 am to donRANDOMnumbers
Gooddell, is that you?
Let the league decide. Tools aren't the catch all formula to winning. Can't tell you how many times my guy told me one way based on matchup a and a tool told me otherwise. Do better research during offseason and you should be good.
Let the league decide. Tools aren't the catch all formula to winning. Can't tell you how many times my guy told me one way based on matchup a and a tool told me otherwise. Do better research during offseason and you should be good.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:57 am to DownSouthDave
quote:
t should be more about drinking beer and cutting up with your friends, less about getting every competitive edge you can
frick that, I want to beat each and every one of those guys as badly as possible.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:01 am to CE Tiger
quote:
sounds like you are a whiny bitch because your team sucks
I expected these types of comments. However I appreciate the ones who are actually in here to debate the topic. Why don't you add something useful to the convo.
FTR I was one of the people pushing for the use. I brought the topic up due to a majority of our managers complaining about it.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 11:04 am to donRANDOMnumbers
What's the difference between a computer program telling you the best available player and a top 300 list?
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