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Rape victims charged for medical treatment- new war on women meme
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:09 am
Recent articles have presented a slanted view on rape victims being charged for hospital treatment for post rape treatment. There was a consensus among those interviewed that the victims should not have to pay for this treatment. There is also an implication that such treatment is not covered by health insurance policies. This smells of another war on women meme being developed.
Certainly rape is a despicable act that no woman should experience. However, post rape treatment is covered by health insurance subject to deductibles and co-payments. This is no different than the way injuries sustained in an accident are covered.
Yes, women are financially victimized by incurring the copayments and deductibles applicable. Yet, how is this any different from the victims of non sexual assaults. Why should a special exemption be carved out for victims of one crime and not another.
Already the drum beat has begun for legislation requiring hospitals to absorb the cost of treating sexual assault victims. Some already do so voluntarily or write off the costs not covered by insurance. Now , there will be proposed legislation mandating all hospitals provide these services at no cost. Should this legislation pass those costs will no doubt be covered by increased costs for other services provided.
Of course, if you are not in favor of this legislation then you are conducting war on women. One more red herring foisted on the hard working tax paying citizens.
Certainly rape is a despicable act that no woman should experience. However, post rape treatment is covered by health insurance subject to deductibles and co-payments. This is no different than the way injuries sustained in an accident are covered.
Yes, women are financially victimized by incurring the copayments and deductibles applicable. Yet, how is this any different from the victims of non sexual assaults. Why should a special exemption be carved out for victims of one crime and not another.
Already the drum beat has begun for legislation requiring hospitals to absorb the cost of treating sexual assault victims. Some already do so voluntarily or write off the costs not covered by insurance. Now , there will be proposed legislation mandating all hospitals provide these services at no cost. Should this legislation pass those costs will no doubt be covered by increased costs for other services provided.
Of course, if you are not in favor of this legislation then you are conducting war on women. One more red herring foisted on the hard working tax paying citizens.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 11:30 am
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:10 am to tigersbb
Is this happening in Germany too?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:13 am to tigersbb
We just had a big discussion on this topic last week. It's probably just a few pages back. 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:13 am to tigersbb
We just had a big discussion on this topic last week. It's probably just a few pages back.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:14 am to Radiojones
Now I'm stuttering 
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:14 am to tigersbb
quote:Not that I don't believe your post, but do you have any links to support this?
Already the drum beat has begun for legislation requiring hospitals to absorb the cost of treating sexual assault victims.
BTW, I have no problem with any such legislation. Any hospital administration that would charge an uninsured rape victim should be publicly flogged / exposed.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:22 am to mmcgrath
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Any hospital administration that would charge an uninsured rape victim should be publicly flogged / exposed.
Agreed. There should be a pool, funded by taxpayers, to serve as a healthcare safety net for rape victims and other victims of violent crime who end up in the hospital through no fault of their own.
That's what you meant, right?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:23 am to MSMHater
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There should be a pool, funded by the seizure of property of violent criminals, to serve as a healthcare safety net for rape victims and other victims of violent crime who end up in the hospital through no fault of their own.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:24 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Not that I don't believe your post, but do you have any links to support this?
It is a common surreptitious practice. It costs a certain amount to operate a facility and if they are mandated by any reason to modify their costs (Medicare, etc. )then the hospital will seek any possible avenue to make up those costs.
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BTW, I have no problem with any such legislation. Any hospital administration that would charge an uninsured rape victim should be publicly flogged / exposed
That may be a compassionate view, but still does not answer the question of why a medical facility should be forced to give its services for free.
Lets say three women show up for treatment. Susie was raped by Parker, Jane was punched by her boyfriend Ray Ray, and Sallý was involved in a vehicle accident caused by a drunk driver. Why should Susie be treated at no cost and the others charged for their treatment?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:35 am to Radiojones
quote:
We just had a big discussion on this topic last week. It's probably just a few pages back
Unlike some I don't have time to sty on this board all day long, nor do I have the time or inclination to research whether there was a similar thread. Now that I have, I would like to point out my point is this is another false war on women meme which is a different slant on the topic. Would like your input on that perspective.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:44 am to tigersbb
Are women being denied treatment if they can't pay or do not have insurance?
Are gunshot victims treated free? What about victims caught in a car accident?
Why should rape victims be treated any differently than others who are hurt or injured and it's not their fault?
Are gunshot victims treated free? What about victims caught in a car accident?
Why should rape victims be treated any differently than others who are hurt or injured and it's not their fault?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:03 pm to doubleb
Because rape is different.
Sorry you don't see that
Sorry you don't see that
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:12 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Because rape is different. Sorry you don't see that
Each and every mode of crime is different, no question. But to impose an involuntary mandate on health providers requiring free treatment of one set of victims or patents would be a tyrannical abuse of governmental power (notwithstanding the fact there are many such abuses perpetrated by our government).
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:12 pm to Tigah in the ATL
but where is the line? is it just rape? what other crimes would this law apply to?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:34 pm to tigersbb
If a gang of violent gays rape a dude, does he get free stuff too?
Or is this a women's only thing?
Or is this a women's only thing?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:43 pm to tigersbb
quote:This is pretty funny considering it's the Louisiana status quo that actually puts the cost on hospitals. The vast majority of states either have dedicated victim's funds for treatment or direct the hospital to bill either the DPS, DPH, or the law enforcement agency with jurisdiction.
Already the drum beat has begun for legislation requiring hospitals to absorb the cost of treating sexual assault victims.
Personally, the last one makes the most sense to me if you're not going to have a dedicated fund. Not only are law enforcement agencies flush with cash from unjust laws of their own, but since rapists are liable for the expenses of their victims, it would give them a financial incentive to investigate an actual crime, instead of conducting yet another meaningless buy-bust for drug money.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:49 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Because rape is different.
Individual gets raped/sexually assaulted
Individual gets shot by a burglar
Individual gets stabbed by a mugger
Individual gets severely injured by drunk driver
etc
etc
etc
All the above involve an individual's body/personal space/life being violated by another individual breaking the law. Why does one get special treatment?
I think it's absolute shite that someone would assault an individual sexually, and it's absolutely not their fault. However, there is no fault to the victim in any of the other above scenarios either.
We can get emotional and tug at heart strings all day long, but the bigger, longer term picture, is that there is, in fact, a cost associated with treating these unfortunate instances. You can't simply vote to pay for one and not the other or else you're being exclusive of one innocent victim versus another.
ETA: I don't mind having some of my tax dollars go to helping in situations like this, but quite frankly I don't trust our politicians to decide what "situations" garner this pool savings and which ones don't.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:52 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
If a gang of violent gays rape a dude, does he get free stuff too?
Or is this a women's only thing?
Should be across the board, but somehow it wouldn't surprise me if only women were privy to this tax pool.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:55 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:How?
Because rape is different.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 12:56 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
If a gang of violent gays rape a dude, does he get free stuff too? Or is this a women's only thing
Interesting point you have raised. Might be an angle advocates would pursue to try to make such legislation gender neutral. Obviously its application to male victims would be miniscule in comparison.
However, in either case such legislation would have the effect of mandating that private business provide free services to arbitrarily selective patients. Regardless of its humanistic value this would be an unconstitutional seizure of power. Given the liberal agenda's total; disdain for the constitution you can look for them to create such a wedge issue in 2016, their newest war on women meme to be used against anyone who does not agree with their radical agenda.
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