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Does the running game open up the passing game or vice versa?

Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:30 am
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:30 am
Seems to me that Les thinks this way, even when the opposition puts 8 men in the box.
Posted by Meldedee
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:30 am to
both
Posted by TigerScribe
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:31 am to
The answer to your question is yes.
Posted by C
Houston
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:31 am to
Yes. You use your strength to open up big plays for your weakness.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:32 am to
I think when a defense respects a passing threat, it opens up a lot of space for the offense.
Posted by BhamBengal
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:32 am to
they're interchangeable.
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 12:37 am to
quote:

I think when a defense respects a passing threat, it opens up a lot of space for the offense.
Correct answer.

When a defense does not respect your passing game, they stack the box and stuff your running game. As we have seen before too many times with Miles.
Posted by demtigers73
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 1:45 am to
Yes
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 1:58 am to
Running helps open up the passing attack
AND
Passing helps open up the running attack

The trick (not a difficult one) is to recognize which one needs to be opened up! If a team comes out stacking the box then the run has already opened up the passing attack and the offense need to be good enough to take advantage of that.

Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:02 am to
At LSU I've always heard that the running game opens up the passing game. Yet, I've seen the passing game open up the running game for other schools. Like others have posted; play to your strength and open up your weakness. It just seems like the Coach is still not sure what the weakness is. He and his staff get paid a hell of a lot more than me to know strength versus weakness, but I-formation on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down seams weak.
Posted by Fabius
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:04 am to
Both. You need to force the defense to defend the entire field. When Harris stood on the left hashmark and threw a fifteen yard out to Quinn on a rope to the opposite sideline he sent a message to the defense. He can make every throw, so you can't cheat on your coverages or stack the box because he will make you pay.

That opened up the running game. This isn't rocket science. if the defense has to defend both the pass and the run, they will defend neither as well as when they can concentrate on defending only one.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 2:09 am
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:16 am to
Both, it's a good example of the economic concept of the law of diminishing marginal returns. As you use more and more of one option (run or pass) then the marginal value of that option (yards per carry or yards per attempt) declines, and therefore the marginal value of the other option (pass or run) increases relative to the first.

In context of football it has to do with how the defense reacts to your gameplan. If you run the ball a lot, the defense stacks the box with 8-9 defenders. If you then pass the ball then you're often able to get 1-on-1 matchups on the outside, which significantly favor the offense and lead to greater yards per passing attempt (more completions for larger gains). The defense then has the hard choice of pulling out of the box (and leaving itself vulnerable to your running attack) or staying in (and doing the same to your passing attack).

On the flip side, if you're succeeding in the passing game and the defense tries to bring in additional defensive backs to cover your receivers, they leave fewer defenders in the box to stop your running game. If you then switch to running, then you catch them in the same dilemma.

To be successful, an offense has to do two things:
1. Control the line of scrimmage: If you can't control the line of scrimmage, then the defense can key in on your strength however they want. If you're losing the battle at the LOS, the defense can keep 6-7 in the box and still stop the run reliably. Your team falls behind and you find you can't pass on them either. Conversely, if you can run reliably without using more than six blockers (and ideally just your five linemen), you can bring in more skill position players and create better spacing.
2. Figure out what it does best and start with that: Whatever it is that your team is better at, start with that so you force the defense to adjust to it.

LSU has struggled this year because we routinely fail at #1 and doesn't yet know what #2 is. I think we're starting to figure out #2, and that will be the key. LSU is at its best when we have Brandon Harris in the game and we're able to throw and pass out of relatively "spread"-ish looks. (Not necessarily "the spread offense" but using 3 WRs to create spacing.) Harris's arm and the spacing created by the skill position players do a lot to take pressure off the offensive line and allow us to win battles at the LOS.
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:19 am to
quote:

play to your strength and open up your weakness


It has nothing to do with your strengths and weaknesses. It has to do with what the defense is currently doing.
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 2:22 am to
I sure do like the three wide set for us! It opens up running lanes, yet allows a lot of passing options too!
Posted by mpwilging
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 5:51 am to
If the threat of passing is minimal, then Jim Brown probably couldn't gain yards by running.
Posted by OneFifty
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:25 am to
The ability to throw lasers to the far side on comeback routes and & 30-yard darts while rolling out to your left opens up EVERYTHING. There was a reason when he broke containment that there were no defenders in the immediate area in most instances...they needed EVERYONE to defend his arm.

He will consistently be able to run for 8-12 yds in this scenario if he chooses. His arm allows him NOT to have to choose this option every time. If he does, he is fast and surprisingly strong for 185 lbs.

On a side note, the dump off passes, passes to the fullback, tailback & wide receiver screens are all extremely encouraging going forward. The threat of these lead me to believe Leonard Fournette or the other backs will have more 100 yd games in the very near future.
Posted by OneFifty
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:31 am to
Apologies for hi-jack, but Chark-nado can attest to the fact that Harris' darts can hit you unexpectedly
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 6:39 am
Posted by 337Tigah
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Posted on 9/28/14 at 6:46 am to
It would depend on how the opposing defense came out lined up.
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