re: About to put my son in drug rehab. update page 20

Posted by MBclass83

Baton Rouge

Member since Oct 2010

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:21 am to 777Tiger

The logic of the insurance dilemma is that I pay for insurance every month, but rarely use it. It seems that now that I need to use it, they don't want to cover. I have saved them thousands of dollars over the years for procedures, etc that they normally would have had to pay for.

Posted by LSUfan4444

Member since Mar 2004

53729 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 4:39 am to MBclass83

That's not how your benefit structure works. Insurance companies don't profit if they break even on every member at some point.

Their accreditation (licensing) is based off of a certain benefit structure they they offer to their members each year. Just because I haven't seen a specialist or had an MRI in over 12 months doesn't mean I shouldn't have to pay my co-pay to go see my PCP.

Posted by bencoleman

RIP 7/19

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:25 am to porkrind

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Sorry to hear it. As a former addict I can offer a bit of advice. Doctors today are pushing suboxone... tell them to frick off. Seriously. On paper it seems like a good thing but it only worsens the addiction. If used as directed it turns you into a walking emotionless zombie. It is so strong that if an addict decides to go back to their drug of choice they will need 4 times as much. The withdrawals from suboxone are worse than any other opiate and also last longer. Prior to going on suboxone the first time I used mild opiates like hydrocodone and oxycodone. After suboxone I switched to much, much worse things. Smoking heroin & fentanyl and snorting dilaudid. No way you can ever force an addict to quit, it has to be their choice and their choice only. Once I decided to quit I tapered over several weeks. I would only allow myself to take a pill when the withdrawals were absolutely unbearable. After a week or so without any opiates it really is life changing. Its almost like being sober feels like being high. The first time I quit for "good" the same problem with my sciatic nerve that got me addicted in the first place reared its ugly head again and I was bed ridden most of the time. I was in so much pain I had to go back on mild opiates just to be able to function. Thankfully a neurosurgeon got me fixed up and I wont touch the stuff anymore. Even after breaking my leg I refused meds on the ambulance ride and the hospital. Its a long road but it can be done. And believe me, your son will be a totally different person without the drugs. When he is cleaned up you have to let go of the things he did while an addicted. Your son and your son the addict are two entirely different people

There is so much truth in this post

I am in much the same situation. I take Norco now and about to schedule surgery to fuse my ankle.

I can vouch for suboxone withdrawals being brutal. Someone in my household takes it. When I run out of pills and I do every month I just suffer rather than deal with suboxone

Posted by Sayre

Felixville

Member since Nov 2011

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:50 am to stout

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Yea there was a bad batch of heroin going around and killed lots of people. Phillip Seymour Hoffman and those two former Navy Seals in Africa for example.

That's not a 'bad' batch, that's a great batch, the one all the junkies want to get their hands on. It's just stronger than the other stuff that's been going around, which means they get more bang for their bucks.

This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 5:52 am

Posted by whit

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Member since Sep 2010

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:17 am to porkrind

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Withdrawals from freaking heroin are less severe and shorter in duration than suboxone withdrawals. I've known MANY addicts and none of them got cleaned up using suboxone.

I detoxed off of suboxone and it wasn't shite compared to oc's. I also used suboxone to get off of all that shite. I took 1mg a day for about about 2 weeks and was good to go. I was only tired for a few weeks after. I know a bunch of people who quit using subs.

Posted by whit

Baton Rouge

Member since Sep 2010

10998 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:19 am to bencoleman

Tell your roommate to lower his dose if his withdrawals are brutal.

Posted by LSUvegasbombed

Red Stick

Member since Sep 2013

15464 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:51 am to porkrind

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suboxone

Palmetto doesn't go that route or at least when I was there

Posted by porkrind

Hog Jaw

Member since Apr 2012

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:50 am to whit

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I detoxed off of suboxone and it wasn't shite compared to oc's. I also used suboxone to get off of all that shite. I took 1mg a day for about about 2 weeks and was good to go. I was only tired for a few weeks after. I know a bunch of people who quit using subs.

It was smart to take it for a short duration. Suboxone can be helpful if used short term for rapid detox. Did you make the decision to use short term yourself or did a doctor direct you? I've yet to come across a doctor that offered short term treatment... 3 different sub docs I saw only offered long term suboxone treatment which is bad news.

Some new studies suggest that long term use of suboxone can actually cause the brain to form more opiate receptors which worsens addiction.

I took suboxone for months and decided to try and quit and the withdrawals were worse than my heroin addiction. The long half life of suboxone cause the withdrawls to last for weeks rather than days.

Whats sad is that there is a instant cure for addiction that is currently illegal in the U.S because it can also be abused. Its a root called ibogaine that completely resets the brains addiction receptors. A friend of mine went to Panama to be treated with ibogaine and came home free of his decade long heroin/coke addiction. To his surprise he also did not desire cigarettes! That was 3 years ago and he is still clean as can be. It amazes me that pharm companies have not isolated the part of the root that has this effect and marketed it as an addiction cure. I suppose it being illegal in the U.S is the reason for this... much like cannabis.

Posted by tidalmouse

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Member since Jan 2009

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:51 am to jsmoke222000

I am so sorry that you lost your Son.God Bless you smoke.

MB,your Son will at the least get healthy again.I'm sure he's felt like shite for awhile.

Trying to keep from going into withdrawals is a horrible existence.

I wish there was a quick-fix but there's not.

What he does in the future is his decision.

Prayers for him and you also.

eta: The government doesn't like things it can't tax.They're automatically "bad for you".

This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 8:57 am

Posted by CocomoLSU

Inside your dome.

Member since Feb 2004

150534 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:55 am to jsmoke222000

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he isn't going to quit until he is ready to quit.

This. I dealt with addiction with my last serious relationship, and have also seen it with family members as well. Without a doubt, if they don't want to do it, they won't...and basically nothing will change their minds. one thing I went through with my ex was that she needed to go to AA and do it for her; not for me or for us. And to her credit, she did. She got sober and did a really great job of sort of turning some things around in her life.

OP, I wish you the best with all of this...I don't have kids yet, but I do have kids in my life that I love very much, and I can't imagine having them go through addiction like this (especially with something as serious/horrible as heroin). Good luck, man, and keep us updated with the progress. I truly hope your kid wants to get help and can turn his life around.

Posted by supadave3

Houston, TX

Member since Dec 2005

30234 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:04 am to gmrkr5

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know of 3 people that have died from it in the last 6 months

We probably know some of the same people because I know 2 that have died from it in the last 6 months. Either we know some of the same, or the problem is worse in BR than I thought.

Posted by Tommy Wayne

Member since Apr 2009

208 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:16 am to supadave3

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As a former addict

Not being a dick, but this is an oxymoron.

Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:21 am to MBclass83

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Caught him stealing valuables. Please pray for his recovery. Insurance doesn't want to pay. Loath them.

why you blaming the insurance company brah.

Posted by Tigertown in ATL

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Member since Sep 2009

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:34 am to Chad504boy

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Chad504boy

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why you blaming the insurance company brah.

You always bring the good input.

Posted by beulahland

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Member since Jan 2013

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:35 am to Tommy Wayne

quote:
oxymoron

Not if he has been to Passages Malibu.

Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:37 am to Tigertown in ATL

quote:

You always bring the good input.

well tbh, i had in my mind that he was meaning the ins co didn't want to pay for valuables stolen. I didn't translate to not paying for his rehab. shite, if ins companies paid for drug rehabs, they would all have been broke years ago. Them places are too damn expensive and people usually end up in there 4-5 times.

Posted by lsu480

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Member since Oct 2007

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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:44 am to Chad504boy

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shite, if ins companies paid for drug rehabs, they would all have been broke years ago.

I was under the impression that a lot of insurance plans do cover rehab?

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Posted by Chad504boy

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Member since Feb 2005

166081 posts

Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:46 am to lsu480

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I was under the impression that a lot of insurance plans do cover rehab?

well i'm not the wisest guy with health ins shite, i've known only a few different people with scenarios and issues and i'm pretty sure none of them had it paid for by an ins co... but not sure.