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With US Weapons, Technology, Training, Strength, Intelligence and Naval Power..
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:07 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:07 am
How are "we" in a struggle with anyone???
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:09 am to Charlie Arglist
Politicians. They tend to frick thins up when they have the Hammer of Goddamn Thor by their side.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:09 am to Charlie Arglist
They hate us for our freedom.
Do you fricking realize how powerful that hate is? No weaponry can stop it, it can only hope to contain it.
Do you fricking realize how powerful that hate is? No weaponry can stop it, it can only hope to contain it.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:16 am to Charlie Arglist
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:18 am to Charlie Arglist
it's impossible to defeat ideology and/or religion, especially when millions are indoctrinated in it
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:25 am to REG861
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Posted by REG861
it's impossible to defeat ideology and/or religion, especially when millions are indoctrinated in it
Well technically there is a way
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:35 am to Charlie Arglist
Because we are in proxy wars against asymmetric threats that are specially designed to be asymmetric threats by the states who create them.
First, we are allied with states such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where no one faction is really running the show. We are allied with them because they are very unstable, and we are trying to provide enough carrots for the moderating forces to stave off extremist threats from the outside.
What constitutes the "outside" in this context? Attempts to destabilize them primarily emanate from Syria and Iran (and are cynically facilitated by Russia), which has been the case for the past 35 years. Until Iran is defeated in a legitimate war, nothing will ever get truly resolved, and it will be impossible to stabilize the Saudis and the Pakistanis.
Thus, to answer your question, we are still in a struggle because we refuse to go to war with relatively powerful states who nonetheless are in engaged in asymmetric war against us. They take it seriously. We don't. The sooner we wake up to this reality, the better.
First, we are allied with states such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where no one faction is really running the show. We are allied with them because they are very unstable, and we are trying to provide enough carrots for the moderating forces to stave off extremist threats from the outside.
What constitutes the "outside" in this context? Attempts to destabilize them primarily emanate from Syria and Iran (and are cynically facilitated by Russia), which has been the case for the past 35 years. Until Iran is defeated in a legitimate war, nothing will ever get truly resolved, and it will be impossible to stabilize the Saudis and the Pakistanis.
Thus, to answer your question, we are still in a struggle because we refuse to go to war with relatively powerful states who nonetheless are in engaged in asymmetric war against us. They take it seriously. We don't. The sooner we wake up to this reality, the better.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 1:37 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:42 am to Doc Fenton
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Because we are in proxy wars against asymmetric threats that are specially designed to be asymmetric threats by the states who create them.
First, we are allied with states such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where no one faction is really running the show. We are allied with them because they are very unstable, and we are trying to provide enough carrots for the moderating forces to stave off extremist threats from the outside.
What constitutes the "outside" in this context? Attempts to destabilize them primarily emanate from Syria and Iran (and are cynically facilitated by Russia), which has been the case for the past 35 years. Until Iran is defeated in a legitimate war, nothing will ever get truly resolved, and it will be impossible to stabilize the Saudis and the Pakistanis.
Thus, to answer your question, we are still in a struggle because we refuse to go to war with relatively powerful states who nonetheless are in engaged in asymmetric war against us. They take it seriously. We don't. The sooner we wake up to this reality, the better.
This post may be so obviously neoconservative but I give it props for making a decent case.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:49 am to Sentrius
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 2:07 am to Doc Fenton
It should be posted on the poliboard because I don't think we have an intelligent neocon posting there now. We may hate neoconservatism but we libertarians and liberals still need to be challenged on the hate.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:34 am to Charlie Arglist
"War of the Flea" pretty good primer on this topic. Our military is setup to take on conventional tactics employed by a conventional army, like chess, but there is always someone who plays checkers with the chess pieces.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:39 am to Claudine322
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Claudine322
+1
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:45 am to Doc Fenton
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Because we are in proxy wars against asymmetric threats that are specially designed to be asymmetric threats by the states who create them.
First, we are allied with states such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, where no one faction is really running the show. We are allied with them because they are very unstable, and we are trying to provide enough carrots for the moderating forces to stave off extremist threats from the outside.
What constitutes the "outside" in this context? Attempts to destabilize them primarily emanate from Syria and Iran (and are cynically facilitated by Russia), which has been the case for the past 35 years. Until Iran is defeated in a legitimate war, nothing will ever get truly resolved, and it will be impossible to stabilize the Saudis and the Pakistanis.
Thus, to answer your question, we are still in a struggle because we refuse to go to war with relatively powerful states who nonetheless are in engaged in asymmetric war against us. They take it seriously. We don't. The sooner we wake up to this reality, the better.
But War on Terror...
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:53 am to blkhawktiger
I dont want to offend anyone, but its because in this day and age and this type of war, the Navy and Air Force are almost useless. The only way to defeat these groups are massive ground forces. Im talking 1 million plus coalition soldiers. Thats why getting the Iraqi Army was so important. Ive been there, its the only way in my opinion. Instead we waste trillions of dollars on the Navy and Air Force to bomb our way to victory....not going to work against an idiology! Massive ground forces from these Arab nations and the Army and Marines to back them up are whats needed. ISIS is baiting us into it.
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