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Bleacher Report is on point about the changing of the SEC

Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:51 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26613 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:51 pm
The Changing Identity of the SEC


To preface, this is not me getting on Miles. Just to show how just about the entire SEC is modernizing the offense AND defense.

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"Is this what we want football to be?" Those were the words of Alabama head coach Nick Saban in early October 2012 when preparing for Ole Miss' hurry-up, no-huddle offense led by head coach Hugh Freeze, according to AL.com's Andrew Gribble. Fast-forward two years, and the "three yards and a cloud of dust" label synonymous with the SEC has been replaced with another—"wide open." Eleven of the conference's 14 teams are currently averaging more than six yards per play, as opposed to two in 2011.


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When then-new head coach Gene Chizik told Auburn athletics director Jay Jacobs that he was thinking about bringing Malzahn in as offensive coordinator in 2009, Jacobs wanted to make sure he wasn't just bringing in the spread, but the right kind of spread. "What was important to me, as a spread offense like this, is it all throwing and how does the rush balance out?" Jacobs said. "What I quickly found out from talking to a lot of people and watching Gus' bowl game is that it's a lot of throwing, but it's a downhill football style. In this league, you have to run the ball to win."


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Instead of wordy play calls in a huddle, teams signal in plays quickly through hand signals, pictures and numbers. This was a point of criticism while former Auburn quarterback Cam Newton was going through the draft process. Former Auburn QB Cam Newton. "Our method is ‘simplistic equals fast,'" he told ESPN's Jon Gruden (via ProFootballTalk.com) in 2011. "It’s so simple as far as, you look to the sideline [and] you see 36 on the board. And that’s a play. And we’re off.”


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Now programs can blend traditional smashmouth elements with wide-open elements found in spread offenses to keep opposing defenses on their toes while still wearing them down through speed and strength.



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"We actually forced our offense to be a no-huddle team too, which has helped us on defense," Saban told Torrence. "Even though we don’t go fast all the time, just the fact that we can practice against a no huddle-type team rather than huddling up. Then, all the sudden, here’s a game where you have to go no-huddle and the players are used to that routine and how they have to play."


Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37133 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:56 pm to
Meh. Offensive trends come and go. Remember when no one would ever stop the wishbone? Fun and gun? Run and shoot? Eventually the defenses will figure it out and it will morph into the next style
Posted by schwartzy
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
9026 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:03 pm to
I still hold that adding Texas A&M to the league was a much bigger change than any new gimmick offense. Recruiting in Texas is a big deal
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:39 pm to
It is not that offenses alone are overmatching defenses. The rules favor the offensive players as well. Teams run many more plays and "commit" fewer and fewer holding penalties. They never call holding unless someone is tackled. Letting OL go down field if the pass is behind the line is another example. Assisting the running back is illegal, and they now let the OL drag the runners down field, or let teams get away with the "Bush push". The refs never call penalties for offenses picking or "rubbing" off defensive backs. WRs get away mauling smaller DBs (see Mike Evans). I running back can stiff arm a defensive player in the face mask, but when the defensive player reaches out and touches his face mask, it is a personal foul.

I know that casual fans love the high scores, but I am not a fan of this type of football. This is glorified arena league football. We are at about the point where they need to consider taking away one down like they have in the Canadian Football League. 4 downs are too many in this type of football.
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31001 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 12:05 am to
I get what you're saying.


Hanagriff touched on it last night on the radio show.


I agree with him when he said this (paraphrasing):

I don't mind if we run the ball, I like it to be honest. That said, you can't run 75% of the plays running right into the strength of the opposing team and think you'll wear them down. Maybe you would if there were five quarters, but we all know there's only 4. After a while, the clock becomes an issue too.


Example: (He made me think when he said this) Alabama and Florida were tied at the half. Florida was lucky to beat Kentucky the previous week. Kentucky. Alabama turned the ball over 4 times in that game. 4! After the half, it was a completely different game. Florida never scored another point, Alabama was more spread, the Florida defenders were on "islands," committed to covering their assignments. Period.

Saban took away the jumbled mess in the middle, running into Florida's DL, running into Alabama's OL, there simply was so much traffic in the middle, nothing was working, very similar to our game plan with Miss. State.

The point I'm getting at is he made adjustments. This is not me saying I want Saban back, I don't like how he operates but he is in the game, makes adjustments.

I also hate bringing up 1/9, that drum has been beaten for so long but this last game was shades of it. Keep doing what's not working. Don't try anything different until the last 4:00 min of the game and lo and behold, we score twice in less than 3 minutes. Don't capitalize on the opposing team's weakness, which is pass defense. I think that's what has fans so frustrated.


Again, I'm not ripping or dumping on Miles at all, I sure like the guy, I really do. But when we come out and look like we did and don't change anything until it's too late, that is certainly frustrating.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 12:08 am
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68377 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 6:19 am to
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The point I'm getting at is he made adjustments. This is not me saying I want Saban back, I don't like how he operates but he is in the game, makes adjustments.


We came out of the second half with 3 wide and threw it. Like I said the plays were there, Jennings just isn't good. Adjustments weren't made on d and the crushed us.
Posted by Babboo
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2013
1150 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 7:48 am to
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We came out of the second half with 3 wide and threw it. Like I said the plays were there, Jennings just isn't good. Adjustments weren't made on d and the crushed us.


Ehh.. Like Miles said, if we had 30 more seconds in that game we take home the victory. However, in the beginning of the 4th, we are still running Fournette up the middle and taking our sweet time getting back to the line to run another play. We didn't take advantage of anything given to us, we simply kept with our gameplan too long.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:23 am to
Article is on point. Did not realize Sumlin was that high up in yards and yards per carry running the ball. We all know Malzahn runs the ball from the spread. I love our pro style sets, but would like to see us be in a spread/pro style 50/50 and we can still run the ball from both sets. LSU has perfect Personell for a spread with our young guys. I do like the fact that the pro style offense prepares one for the NFL. Cam and Miles need to find a good mix between the two.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 8:24 am
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29262 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:28 am to
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However, in the beginning of the 4th, we are still running Fournette up the middle


fournette got carries in the 4th quarter? I don't remember him getting any carries after the 2nd.
Posted by TigerBlood17
Member since Jan 2014
1454 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:43 am to
I would like to see more zone read out of the pistol.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:46 am to
Bleacher Report; didn't read
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
7871 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:02 am to
I still say the most important overall reason for the success of the 2011 team was an offseason spent preparing for the fast pace of Oregon. It was Moffit at his best and they should prepare that way every summer for the new SEC.
Posted by MFV
Member since Oct 2008
907 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:00 am to
I think its a very good article. The game of football has changed drastically in the last 5-10 to years. I think the days of playing ball control offense and winning with great d and special teams are over. Point is Miles is going to have to change his philosophy or risk the game passing him up.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 6:19 pm to
i made it to the third sentence before thinking that the guy who wrote this is an idiot, and the fourth sentence before knowing it. im a writer, and i love stats, and after reading the first two paragraphs i would punch this guy in his fricking heart right now if i could.

Even Saban's team—with a little help from new offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin—is lighting up the scoreboard. Through four games, the Crimson Tide are averaging 7.6 yards per play and, while not running a true hurry-up, no-huddle offense, still managing 78 plays per game.

good news gang, the numbers 7,6, and 8 still exist. that's all we learned here because dipshit didn't add any context. is this much different from other seasons? where does that put them in the SEC? what about nationally?

there, now you have a place to start, have fun writing your own articles, everyone!

Eleven of the conference's 14 teams are currently averaging more than six yards per play, as opposed to two in 2011.

i get that its bleacher report, but even with those low expectations there are still so many things wrong with this one sentence, and its so intentionally misleading, that it's maddening.

for starters, he's comparing the first three weeks, when half the schedule is FCS teams, to an entire season in the SEC, including bowl games, and the only conclusion he can come up with is that offense across the league has gone full throttle.

there were 11 teams over 6 yards at this time last year too, it eventually fell to 8. in 2012 there were 10, it fell to 5. in 2011 there were actually 5 at this point before falling to 2, but three other teams were at 5.7 or more, and that's when the SEC still had 12 teams, which he fails to mention.

so in 2011 it was actually 5 out of 12, very close to 8 out of 12, but that didn't fit his predetermined premise so he leads the reader to believe that it was 2 out of 14.

there's no way to know how many teams will still be over 6 by the end of the year, but what i do know is that this entire concept is retarded and has very little to do with actually winning games.

TAM lead the SEC is ypp last year. SEC champ Auburn was 4th.

UGA lead in 2012. SEC champ bama was 3rd.

bama lead in 2011, SEC champ LSU was third.

of the 16 BCS champs, 0 have run a pass-first spread. only Florida and Auburn, and Texas sort of, ran a spread at all but they were run-first, and 3.5 of those 4 teams had hall of fame freaks at QB.

articles like this actually make the casual fan dumber. they might assume they know more but becuase what they read was wrong, they actually know less.

the pure air raid offense does not work. it's that simple. it will win 9 games and score 100 points on bad teams and you might win the belitnikoff and o'brien awards but thats it. barring sheer random luck, it won't beat good teams, and the closer you get to it, the easier it is to shut your offense down.

when we played west virginia, Chavis probably just sat there drumming his fingers on the table all night waiting for them to get to our 20. because then they were done. when you have 5 or even 4 wideouts on a field that small, there's no where for them to go. Peterson could have guarded all 5 by himself.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 6:26 pm
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