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Growing Pains: Talent and Experience

Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:53 pm
The LSU football team has talent. No sane person would argue otherwise. Miles typically signs top ten recruiting classes every year. Indeed, Miles signed the #2 recruiting class in the nation last year.

However, much of the top talent from 2011 left after last year. These are the players who would be in their 4th year now. LSU was left without any starting offensive skill players. LSU has talent in the skill positions, but almost no experience. The offense is experiencing growing pains. The little things that players know after playing in the SEC for a while, LSU shill players are just now learning.

LSU seems to be installing a new blocking scheme. Thus, although the LSU OLs have years in service, they do not have experience with the new system. OLs are notoriously the last unit to gel. I’m optimistic that the OLs can get it together soon. If LSU is going to install a new blocking scheme, they might as well do it this year and improve the OLs during the same year as the skill players. No point in installing a new blocking scheme next year when the skill positions will be hitting their stride.

2012 was not a top ten recruiting year, particularly for DTs. Thus, LSU is left primarily with 2013 recruits for DTs. It’s exceedingly rare for a second year DL to start at LSU. This year is different: LSU is left with missing personnel on the DL. SO, RSFR, and FR DLs have to play. However, complaints about RSFR DLs not being ready to start sound odd to someone who is not used to having RSFR DLs get much playing time, let alone start. I believe that we have a tremendous amount of talent on the DL; they just lack the experience to play proficiently at an SEC level. It’s an unusual position for LSU that is causing some growing pains on the defense.

Mississippi State returned 18 of 22 starters. They have as many SRs on their defensive line as LSU has on its entire defensive 2-deep. More importantly, they have a 4th year QB. MSU might not have been able to recruit the most talented players, but they recruited SEC caliber players (some of whom were recruited by LSU), and they have the most experienced team in the SEC.

LSU has talent. No one can debate that fact. However, in critical positions, LSU lacks experience. MSU has talent, maybe not as much as LSU, but they have tons of experience, and they have it in the critical positions. Many times, experience trumps talent. In this case, the difference in talent was clearly not as great as the difference in experience.

LSU will gain more experience as the season progresses. The offensive and defensive units will come together. I am optimistic about this season for LSU and the seasons beyond.
Posted by SlidellTiger
Madisonville, La
Member since Jan 2004
1440 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:56 pm to
solid anlaysis
Posted by BIG Texan
Texas
Member since Jun 2012
1596 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:59 pm to
Are they installing a new blocking scheme for a fact or are you assuming?
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
83922 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:00 pm to
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f LSU is going to install a new blocking scheme, they might as well do it this year and improve the OLs during the same year as the skill players. No point in installing a new blocking scheme next year when the skill positions will be hitting their stride.


But aren't we losing a chunk of our line after this season?
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:01 pm to
Hope that is true, but only time will tell.
Posted by tigerfan25
Northshore
Member since Jan 2005
500 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 2:35 pm to
What is this new blocking scheme you speak of? Do tell!
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:17 pm to
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Are they installing a new blocking scheme for a fact or are you assuming?
quote:

LSU seems to be installing a new blocking scheme.
It's only what I've heard.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:20 pm to
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If LSU is going to install a new blocking scheme, they might as well do it this year and improve the OLs during the same year as the skill players. No point in installing a new blocking scheme next year when the skill positions will be hitting their stride.
But aren't we losing a chunk of our line after this season?
Not with the way they are playing right now.

The point remains, would you rather install a new blocking scheme while the skill positions are inexperienced and unlikely to lead to a title run (this year), or would you rather install it during the year when the skill positions are ready to take you to a title run (next year).
Posted by lsuexpert57
Back Brusly
Member since Oct 2008
1604 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:54 pm to
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What is this new blocking scheme you speak of? Do tell!


According to Kevin Mawae, Grimes is indeed using a blocking scheme that differs from the one taught by Stud. Along with the new scheme, he is also teaching different techniques and steps for the O-line. Mawae has also stated, that though he can see the line performing these new techniques and steps, they are not yet proficient at them. He did however say, that what Grimes is attempting to teach is the proper way.
Posted by NotRight37
Nashville, TN
Member since Jul 2014
5843 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 4:12 pm to
This all maybe true about the new blocking scheme, but it is killing us this year. We have four seniors on that line and two others that can go into the draft of the seven primary players. So next year at best we will have three experienced players on the OL at this point.Hawkins, Vadal, and Pocic(the only one we know will be here).
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

According to Kevin Mawae, Grimes is indeed using a blocking scheme that differs from the one taught by Stud. Along with the new scheme, he is also teaching different techniques and steps for the O-line. Mawae has also stated, that though he can see the line performing these new techniques and steps, they are not yet proficient at them. He did however say, that what Grimes is attempting to teach is the proper way.
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This all maybe true about the new blocking scheme, but it is killing us this year. We have four seniors on that line and two others that can go into the draft of the seven primary players. So next year at best we will have three experienced players on the OL at this point.Hawkins, Vadal, and Pocic(the only one we know will be here).
If Mawae is right, and Grimes is teaching the right technique, it's better to do it sooner rather than later.

It's better to do teach proper technique this year, when the skill positions are inexperienced, rather than wait until next year when the skill positions will be ready to rock and roll.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64562 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:23 pm to
Salviati = butthurt
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

Salviati = butthurt
I'm not butthurt.

I don't have anything to be butthurt about. I specifically posted that I am optimistic about this season and the future.

I'd love to hear your explanation. Please, regale me with your tale.
Posted by BoulderTiger
Boulder County: Lafayette, Colorado
Member since Nov 2006
805 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:07 pm to
It's called the zone blocking technique that is considered to be simple and very effective for creating running lanes - it is what the has made no name running backs national stars for the Denver Broncos. I agree with OP, we will get their and when the light turns on watch out
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64562 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:20 pm to
You seem adamant about Anthony Jennings and his work as quarterback for the team. Since the last game especially so. You seem to revel in his purported success exceeding other quarterbacks of recent times. You are one staunch supporter if nothing else. However recent posts show you are evolving as time goes by.
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:39 pm to
We re young but not inexperienced. Our OL is back. 2 of 4 RB's back. Kicker,Punter and Snapper/Holder back. TE's back. All the defensive starters have plenty of experience.

The QB and WR's are inexperienced but Dural was a known playmaker going in.

We need better QB play to have any chance in the west. Jennings was terrible last week. DT and MLB are below average skill wise as well.
On the bright side: It's impossible for Jennings and Welter to play worse.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:39 pm to
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You seem adamant about Anthony Jennings and his work as quarterback for the team.
Do I support Jennings when people spew baseless accusations at him. Yes, I do. The kid has talent. Jennings was the MVP of the Atlanta regional Elite 11 competition and earned a bid to the national Elite 11. He has talent:
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"Eighty-six quarterbacks were here from 19 states and 21 with D-I scholarship offers," Elite 11 coach (and ESPN analyst) Trent Dilfer told the group. "Everyone here impressed the coaches. This group was even more impressive than the one in Dallas a few weeks ago. It's a bottom-line business, and there is only gonna be one from this group. The MVP of the Atlanta regional and the bid to the Elite 11 goes to Anthony Jennings."




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Since the last game especially so. You are one staunch supporter if nothing else. . . . However recent posts show you are evolving as time goes by.
Well, am I getting more supportive since the last game or am I evolving? I think I am staying the same. I'm just supporting the LSU QBs.



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You seem to revel in his purported success exceeding other quarterbacks of recent times.
Should I not revel in the success of an LSU QB? I will equally revel in the success of Brandon Harris when he becomes the starter, including if he becomes the starter this week and/or for the rest of the season.

I don't cheer only for specific LSU QBs. I support all LSU QBs equally.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64562 posts
Posted on 9/25/14 at 6:52 pm to
re: Does Les hold Brandon Harris to a higher standard? - Salviati on 9/25/14 at 1:56 pm
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TWO missed plays.... OMG
Considering how many plays he had, it is a big deal. How many would there have been if played an entire quarter? How many if he played the entire game?...


re: Does Les hold Brandon Harris to a higher standard? (Posted on 9/25/14 at 11:20 am to irnfan)
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Mostly not his fault. The play calls came in late, the OL was a sieve, and he only got one freakin' series.
He went the wrong way on two different plays.
First, Harris played in more than one series against ULM. Get your facts straight.

Second, ten offensive players ran one play, and Harris ran a different play. It happened more than once during the ULM game. Whose fricking fault is it? How is it "Mostly not his fault"?

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Doesn't refute my statement. Kid didn't get much of a chance.
:smh:

He played in more than one series.

How many chances do you give a QB who runs a different play than the rest of the offense?

He played much better against MSU. He earned more playing time. His time will come.





This post was edited on 9/25 at 11:28 am

Notice the neat little edit... after your true sentiments were aired out.


I see your support for all the quarterbacks at LSU.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5496 posts
Posted on 9/26/14 at 7:38 am to
First, it's a fact that Harris "he screwed up at least two play calls." That's not baseless. Those aren't even my words. Those are ESPN's words as posted by the TD Staff Reporter on this very website. ESPN's Take On The LSU Quarterback Competition by TD Staff Reporter

Moreover, I posted my supprt for Harris numerous times. It's even in your post: "He played much better against MSU. He earned more playing time. His time will come." I support Harris and will continue to do so, including if he starts this week and for the rest of the season. I'm just tired of baseless bashing of Jennings. He has his faults but the vast majority of the negative posts are way over the top.



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Notice the neat little edit... after your true sentiments were aired out.
Now this is some real bullshite. Why don't you tell me what "true sentiments were aired out" before I allegedly edited them. I correct typos and minor mistakes. I didn't delete or edit anything else.
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