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The obvious thing: It's all about up front
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:33 pm
The most important group on offense and 2/3rds of our defense were dominated. If last night was an indicator of things to come, at the positions that require the most physical players we could be outmatched on either side of the ball by 5 of our remaining 7 SEC opponents.
Les & company have limited options. On offense they can attempt to establish a power running game by relying on the backs to make plays. Sometimes it looks like the tailback is just too deep so cheat him up. The holes may be there briefly but tailback distance is cancelling it out. If it does work it keeps our defense off the field and shortens the game. If it doesn't...well you saw last night. Going full on BIG 12 style spread O - with Auburn & UF on the road coming up - forget it. My prediction: the offense stays the same with incremental changes in the passing game when Harris plays. Because this is LSU, we will run the EXACT same plays every time with Harris & by Kentucky any gains will be negated and it's back to the drawing board.
Defensively, we are in trouble. Our d-line is not going to get bigger, stronger and gain added depth this season; our linebackers are too small to make any kind of impact on the running game between the tackles & our DB play hasn't been quite right since Raymond took over. Welter playing is a fact of life. We can bitch but he will play. The physical limitations will not go away by simply playing more. Chavis will have to throw everything in the Standard Edition Defensive Coordinator Handbook at every offense we face. Multiple fronts; multiple blitz packages; move players around - be as unpredictable as possible. In other words: Give our guys a fighting chance. Unfortunately, I have zero confidence Chavis will change anything. None.
If LSU wins 4 games in the SEC consider it the best coaching job Les Miles has done at LSU. It also means something special or drastic happened.
Flame on Tiger fans, Flame on.
Les & company have limited options. On offense they can attempt to establish a power running game by relying on the backs to make plays. Sometimes it looks like the tailback is just too deep so cheat him up. The holes may be there briefly but tailback distance is cancelling it out. If it does work it keeps our defense off the field and shortens the game. If it doesn't...well you saw last night. Going full on BIG 12 style spread O - with Auburn & UF on the road coming up - forget it. My prediction: the offense stays the same with incremental changes in the passing game when Harris plays. Because this is LSU, we will run the EXACT same plays every time with Harris & by Kentucky any gains will be negated and it's back to the drawing board.
Defensively, we are in trouble. Our d-line is not going to get bigger, stronger and gain added depth this season; our linebackers are too small to make any kind of impact on the running game between the tackles & our DB play hasn't been quite right since Raymond took over. Welter playing is a fact of life. We can bitch but he will play. The physical limitations will not go away by simply playing more. Chavis will have to throw everything in the Standard Edition Defensive Coordinator Handbook at every offense we face. Multiple fronts; multiple blitz packages; move players around - be as unpredictable as possible. In other words: Give our guys a fighting chance. Unfortunately, I have zero confidence Chavis will change anything. None.
If LSU wins 4 games in the SEC consider it the best coaching job Les Miles has done at LSU. It also means something special or drastic happened.
Flame on Tiger fans, Flame on.
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:36 pm to jonboy
Good post that I have to agree with.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:39 pm to jonboy
Last night was so bad. Defensively and offensively, we're just soft. It was really tough to watch that game.
It's all about the line of scrimmage, you're right.
It's all about the line of scrimmage, you're right.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 11:42 pm to SabiDojo
thats what happens when working out to get stronger and better is a choice left to the players.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:27 am to D500MAG
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thats what happens when working out to get stronger and better is a choice left to the players
I'm not sure I understand? I thought Moffit ran that?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:28 am to TG
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:32 am to jonboy
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Les & company have limited options
this isn't one of them
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On offense they can attempt to establish a power running game by relying on the backs to make plays
if we aren't physical enough the only option is to finesse teams...that can be done by spreading the formations and going to single back sets.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:33 am to jonboy
I know teams have been loading the box against us on defense but it just seems our offensive line is just soft. We all knew DT was going to be a weakness going into this season but the OL was supposed to be our strength with 4 returning starters. I know people talk Grimes being a more technical coach but maybe he needs to try and get these guys playing with a mean streak.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:37 am to Topwater Trout
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if we aren't physical enough the only option is to finesse teams
I'm assuming Les will not give up the power game until it works. IMO, cheating the back up may be the only for it to be even remotely consistent.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:41 am to jonboy
To sum up our offensive scheme it continues to be line up and beat the guy in front of you. That works if you have 3 first round OL (Bama in years past) but we don't. At no point do we try to spread the defense out and run power up the middle (ie what state did to us) or use misdirection to get the skill guys the ball in open space. We look like a 9 year old playing playstation. It's either a power run play or throw it deep. Where are the short and intermediate passes. Where's the read option we heard about all summer? Yeah our OL is disappointing but our scheme isn't exactly helping them succeed. I form with one and two TE sets are being used too much. And for anyone who has watched us they know that we refuse to throw to the TEs so it becomes basically a 7 man OL in those sets and beat your man. A great and very crucial play the other night that state ran was the 3rd and 11 after our defensive TD. You don't see us do that. Misdirection one way to run the screen the other. Give your athletes the ball in space. And we need to practice this shite against the ULMs. Yes we can run it 60 times against them and win. Great. But run your offense you need to run to beat the SEC teams and get work in. Use the three and four wide sets. Create mismatches. Create space. Do what state did to us and it makes me fricking sick that I have to say that.
Stop the FB dive. It's 9v11. Most teams with mobile QBs in goalline situations do that inverted wishbone with the TEs lined up behind the guards and plunge forward with the QB. 11v11. They get it. We don't. There is a reason nobody else runs it except maybe 3-4 times per season. Not per GAME. I would love to see a stat on how many FB dives are run per team (not counting triple option teams)
Defense. Same problem. Not physical enough up front. We are soft. Our tackling is suspect. No pass rush. We can't expect our DBs to cover for 7 seconds. The long TD pass was on the fronts inability to close down Dak.
Question: are the highly touted linemen we recruited not that good or do we not develop them? I'm thinking it's more of the latter.
And guys we have been down 3 TDs in the first half twice this season against the two decent teams we have played. Not a good sign. And if Wisconsin's entire DL doesn't get hurt that game might have turned out differently.
At this point I think we beat Florida and arky but I'm not too confident we can beat the other teams.
In summary, frick.
Stop the FB dive. It's 9v11. Most teams with mobile QBs in goalline situations do that inverted wishbone with the TEs lined up behind the guards and plunge forward with the QB. 11v11. They get it. We don't. There is a reason nobody else runs it except maybe 3-4 times per season. Not per GAME. I would love to see a stat on how many FB dives are run per team (not counting triple option teams)
Defense. Same problem. Not physical enough up front. We are soft. Our tackling is suspect. No pass rush. We can't expect our DBs to cover for 7 seconds. The long TD pass was on the fronts inability to close down Dak.
Question: are the highly touted linemen we recruited not that good or do we not develop them? I'm thinking it's more of the latter.
And guys we have been down 3 TDs in the first half twice this season against the two decent teams we have played. Not a good sign. And if Wisconsin's entire DL doesn't get hurt that game might have turned out differently.
At this point I think we beat Florida and arky but I'm not too confident we can beat the other teams.
In summary, frick.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:45 am to etm512
Time for harris.
not saying he will be better hell we may even lose more games, but time to go forward
not saying he will be better hell we may even lose more games, but time to go forward
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:47 am to bayouvette
We knew coming into this season that our D-line was probably going to be our weakest link. Add to that our overall youth. We shouldn't be surprised. No need to panic...yet.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:48 am to jonboy
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I'm assuming Les will not give up the power game until it works. IMO, cheating the back up may be the only for it to be even remotely consistent.
running from power formation won't work...but that is just my opinion I don't make 5 million a year coaching
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:51 am to Topwater Trout
I will start finally admitting that I am starting to get tired of LM play calling. I have been defending him and saying CC has complete control but I am starting to doubt this. I love LM but its getting old
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:52 am to etm512
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etm512
Good job. I have been somewhat nauseated like most since witnessing that beatdown, but your ending,
quote:made me
In summary, frick.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:54 am to LSUvegasbombed
I love being able to run the ball and wear teams down. I just haven't seen us show the ability to run out the I all year...when we ran out of the shotgun against wisconsin we dominated. I don't get the stubborness to try something that has already worked...and we could run the read option with it
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:56 am to Topwater Trout
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running from power formation won't work
I agree with you on that. What I should have said, is "Les will not give up the power run game and the only thing that could help it is cheating the back up".
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but that is just my opinion I don't make 5 million a year coaching
That's the thing about football. Coaches are supposed to spot weakness first and correct it. If they don't it's in everyone's face like a turd in a punch bowl.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:59 am to jonboy
Defensive line is obviously having issues.
But I don't think we should count out this o-line yet. I truly believe the reason we can't run the ball well is because the opponent lines up 9 in the box, runs man to man on the outside, and calls run blitzes. So the defense blitzes 6-7 including LB S and CB. If Harris/Jennings can hit some quick passes than they ill before forced to keep an eye on TE and WR. Right now they can leave a TE uncovered when we line up in the I because they don't believe we can pass it. Once we start passing it well, our run attack will get better.
But I don't think we should count out this o-line yet. I truly believe the reason we can't run the ball well is because the opponent lines up 9 in the box, runs man to man on the outside, and calls run blitzes. So the defense blitzes 6-7 including LB S and CB. If Harris/Jennings can hit some quick passes than they ill before forced to keep an eye on TE and WR. Right now they can leave a TE uncovered when we line up in the I because they don't believe we can pass it. Once we start passing it well, our run attack will get better.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:02 am to jonboy
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running from power formation won't work
This is not true. We are just running the wrong formations. We recruited two guys who came pistol/shotgun formations. You can run power out of pistol with no problems, watch the 49ers/Seattle play. If we switch our offense to run pistol, we could have more success. Also we need to run off the LEFT side of the ball! Also Jennings is an idiot. There were 3 separate occasions where if he would have checked off to the fullback/TE we would have picked up 10+ yards. We have to get Jennings out and Mcgee out and our offense will improve
Posted on 9/22/14 at 10:06 am to Roy Rodgers McFreely
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This is not true. We are just running the wrong formations.
Our oline has not shown the ability to get to the 2nd level and make blocks against teams with 8 in the box. We need 3 wr sets to spread out the defense and give our backs space. That is what state did to us...that is what most teams are trying to do offensively now.
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