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Lindy's basketball annual/preview
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:29 pm
I got my Lindy's annual last week and wanted to share what it had to say about the Pelicans. I could not find a link online, so I'll just type out most of it (it's going to be long). I like Lindy's because they rate each position (from 5.0 to 10.0) then rank each team by their numerical value. Here goes..
Coaching- 5.0 ... They point out that Monty is on the hot seat and has had 3 straight losing seasons.
PG- 6.0 ... They point out that Holiday is a great young talent. But his injury hurt his rating a lot. Plus Russ Smith is his primary back-up. I think they rated the position too low, but if Holiday isn't healed or limited this could be a huge concern.
SG- 6.0 ... They say that Gordon is injury prone and on the trading block. Also, he has lost a step and his production is slipping. Questionable back-ups in Rivers and Fredette.
SF- 7.5 ... This is all about Evans. With Aminu gone, it is all on him (according to the magazine). Of course, he is loaded with talent and produces nice numbers. Not great depth with Miller.
PF- 9.5 ... Davis and Anderson. This is the 2nd highest rating any team unit got in the league (only the Cavs SF got a 10).
C- 7.5 ... Asik got some nice praise and they said we have a decent back-up in Ajinca.
Intangibles- +1.0 ... they throw this in depending on the teams momentum and outlook (-2 to +2). For example the Sixers got a -2..
This gave the Pelicans a total score of 42.5. That put them tied for 13th in the West. But even the write up pointed out that Davis could push this team to a different level.
Coaching- 5.0 ... They point out that Monty is on the hot seat and has had 3 straight losing seasons.
PG- 6.0 ... They point out that Holiday is a great young talent. But his injury hurt his rating a lot. Plus Russ Smith is his primary back-up. I think they rated the position too low, but if Holiday isn't healed or limited this could be a huge concern.
SG- 6.0 ... They say that Gordon is injury prone and on the trading block. Also, he has lost a step and his production is slipping. Questionable back-ups in Rivers and Fredette.
SF- 7.5 ... This is all about Evans. With Aminu gone, it is all on him (according to the magazine). Of course, he is loaded with talent and produces nice numbers. Not great depth with Miller.
PF- 9.5 ... Davis and Anderson. This is the 2nd highest rating any team unit got in the league (only the Cavs SF got a 10).
C- 7.5 ... Asik got some nice praise and they said we have a decent back-up in Ajinca.
Intangibles- +1.0 ... they throw this in depending on the teams momentum and outlook (-2 to +2). For example the Sixers got a -2..
This gave the Pelicans a total score of 42.5. That put them tied for 13th in the West. But even the write up pointed out that Davis could push this team to a different level.
This post was edited on 9/21/14 at 2:30 pm
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Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:36 pm to brmark70816
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That put them tied for 13th in the West
Jesus, if this happens, I quit basketball forever.
thanks for the write up. i agree with coaching, but having PG at 6 is rough…also, why not just do 1 to 5? seems weird.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 2:48 pm to quail man
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thanks for the write up. i agree with coaching, but having PG at 6 is rough
Yeah, I agree. If Holiday is healthy I think that would at least put them as above average. Although having a 2nd round rookie as the back-up is really risky. I guess they could have projected Rivers as the back-up. But it seems that most people see Rivers are really a SG that can occasionally play PG. But not a natural for the position..
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also, why not just do 1 to 5? seems weird.
I don't know. They've always just done it that way. I think they do the same thing in football when they rate positions. It might be 0-10, but the lowest score I saw was a 5.0. It is kind of weird..
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:03 pm to brmark70816
Thanks for posting this.
PG should get a 7.5 at least. His injury was a freak thing and only missed 5 games in 4 prior years.
Smith is somewhat risky but there's a lot to like about him.
This team is far better than 13th in the west.
PG should get a 7.5 at least. His injury was a freak thing and only missed 5 games in 4 prior years.
Smith is somewhat risky but there's a lot to like about him.
This team is far better than 13th in the west.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 3:32 pm to LosLobos111
I'll list the West teams by totals..
Spurs- 51.5
Clippers- 51.0
Warriors- 51.0
Thunder- 50.5
Blazers- 50.0
Rockets- 48.0
Grizzles- 48.0
Mavs- 48.0
Suns- 47.5
Nuggets- 44.5
Lakers- 44.0
Kings- 43.0
Pelicans- 42.5
Wolves- 42.5
Jazz- 36.0
I could see that. An extra 1.5 would put them tied for 11th with the Lakers at 44.0. A team that got very kind rankings across the board..
I just kind of realized, by ranking 5.0-10, it kind of gives a win projection. So maybe it's projecting the Pelicans at about 42.5 wins.. that kind of makes sense..
Spurs- 51.5
Clippers- 51.0
Warriors- 51.0
Thunder- 50.5
Blazers- 50.0
Rockets- 48.0
Grizzles- 48.0
Mavs- 48.0
Suns- 47.5
Nuggets- 44.5
Lakers- 44.0
Kings- 43.0
Pelicans- 42.5
Wolves- 42.5
Jazz- 36.0
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PG should get a 7.5 at least. His injury was a freak thing and only missed 5 games in 4 prior years
I could see that. An extra 1.5 would put them tied for 11th with the Lakers at 44.0. A team that got very kind rankings across the board..
I just kind of realized, by ranking 5.0-10, it kind of gives a win projection. So maybe it's projecting the Pelicans at about 42.5 wins.. that kind of makes sense..
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:40 pm to brmark70816
Yeah I don't see how the Kings/Lakers and arguably the nuggets would be better.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:43 pm to quail man
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also, why not just do 1 to 5? seems weird.
Probably so the points they award for intangibles wont be worth as much.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 4:57 pm to LosLobos111
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Yeah I don't see how the Kings/Lakers and arguably the nuggets would be better
It's all subjective, but the those teams are deeper so there grades are more balanced. Let's say the Nuggets. Their grades were..
Coach-6.5, PG-8.5, SG-7.5, SF-6.5, PF-7.5, C-7.0, I-+1 total 44.5
PG might be a tad high, but Lawson backed up by Robinson is a pretty nasty (no lingering injury issues either). The others seem in line, although PF is kind of low considering Faried and Hickson is formidable.
Posted on 9/21/14 at 5:13 pm to brmark70816
Nate, JJ, and Gallo are all coming off a torn ACL surgery how is that not a hit on their health?
Posted on 9/21/14 at 6:08 pm to 504ByrdGang
They list Gallo as a SF, which is why that score is lower.. It doesn't always make sense..
Posted on 9/22/14 at 8:49 am to quail man
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That put them tied for 13th in the West
Jesus, if this happens, I quit basketball forever.
If we stay relatively healthy, and still are 13th in the West, I'll be right there with you.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:24 am to brmark70816
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Spurs- 51.5
Clippers- 51.0
Warriors- 51.0
Thunder- 50.5
Blazers- 50.0
Rockets- 48.0
These are unarguable
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Grizzles- 48.0
Mavs- 48.0
Suns- 47.5
Nuggets- 44.5
We are in this group. I see as around the quality of the Grizz. The Mavs are old and could be solid or fall off. If Bledsoe isnt there the Suns will regress. and the Nugs depend on injury recoveries.
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Lakers- 44.0
Kings- 43.0
Wolves- 42.5
Jazz- 36.0
We are way better than all of these teams.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:40 am to mm2316
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If we stay relatively healthy, and still are 13th in the West, I'll be right there with you.
If we can't stay healthy then I'm convinced this team is cursed. I couldn't tell you the last time we weren't riddled with injuries.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 9:41 am to brmark70816
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Lakers- 44.0
Kings- 43.0
Pelicans- 42.5
Wolves- 42.5
Jazz- 36.0
Wow. The Kings and Lakers rate better? The Kings rating is optimistic but not outrageous because Boogie. The Lakers score is a joke. Got to sell magazines I guess. The Wolves rating is rather dubious too
As for the Pels, C, PG and SG ratings should be higher. SF should be much lower. 42.5 is on the very low end, but it's fair. This is a 6 man team that has obvious flaws and question marks within that group. 42-52 is the range I see.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 3:46 pm to corndeaux
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Wow. The Kings and Lakers rate better?
It mainly comes from the coaching grade. The Lakers were given a 7.0 and the Kings a 6.5. If the Pelicans got a 7.0, they would be over both of those teams. So I guess they are saying that the Pelicans have more talent, but coaching is costing them..
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The Lakers score is a joke. Got to sell magazines I guess.
I think the Lakers are better than you think. They had the most amount of injuries in the league last season. If they are healthy (a big if), they have a lot of experience and balance. They get back Nash and Bryant. They lost Gasol (who was injured a lot last year anyway). But they added Lin, Boozer and Randle. I could see them being .500..
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:27 pm to brmark70816
Nash is what 40?
Kobe is a wild card
Boozer hasn't been good in a while
Lin is an upgrade but not an exciting one.
Randle is a rookie
I don't see much promise there with that group.
Kobe is a wild card
Boozer hasn't been good in a while
Lin is an upgrade but not an exciting one.
Randle is a rookie
I don't see much promise there with that group.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:01 pm to brmark70816
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It mainly comes from the coaching grade. The Lakers were given a 7.0 and the Kings a 6.5.
That's pretty bizarre. I get why and agree with people who are down on Monty but Byron Scott as a 7? Really? And I'm not sure what Malone has done as a head guy that warrants a significantly higher grade than Monty.
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I think the Lakers are better than you think
They have literally no one who plays defense on the roster. Their season is hinging on 36 year old Kobe with over 50K MP and coming off 2 serious injuries being the offensive force he was in 12/13 while playing with Howard and Gasol- even that year they won only 45 games. I never doubt Kobe and wouldn't be surprised at all if he pulled it off, but that's asking a lot. If they finish above .500, I'll be shocked.
I do like Randle. He'll be fun on offense. Lin/Boozer are like guard/big mirror images- good offense, bad defense players who have become underrated somehow. And Swaggy P is always entertaining.
I'm curious to see if Portland got enough bench help. If they plan to play their starters each 32+MPG, I think they will run into some injury problems and fall back a bit.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:17 pm to LosLobos111
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I don't see much promise there with that group.
And you shouldn't. They are obviously focused on 2015. They might tank anyway (they owe the Suns their 1st unless it is a top 5). But if Bryant is healthy, that team will be competitive..
Posted on 9/22/14 at 5:44 pm to brmark70816
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But if Bryant is healthy, that team will be competitive..
Not even close no.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 1:02 am to corndeaux
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That's pretty bizarre. I get why and agree with people who are down on Monty but Byron Scott as a 7? Really? And I'm not sure what Malone has done as a head guy that warrants a significantly higher grade than Monty.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Scott was horrible in Cleveland. Malone has a pretty great reputation, but hasn't proven much as a head coach.
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Their season is hinging on 36 year old Kobe with over 50K MP and coming off 2 serious injuries being the offensive force he was in 12/13 while playing with Howard and Gasol- even that year they won only 45 games. I never doubt Kobe and wouldn't be surprised at all if he pulled it off, but that's asking a lot. If they finish above .500, I'll be shocked.
I hate the Lakers and Bryant more than anything else in the league. So last year was awesome. But I don't doubt him and I think he will be really dangerous this season. He has something to prove. Adding him alone is probably worth about 10 games in my mind. Then you start looking at the other units. They did get better at PG (Nash coming back and adding Lin). Plus I think their front court is better now. Gasol wasn't that good anymore. Adding Randle, Boozer and Davis just makes them so much more physical and athletic. They will be a tough team to play. I don't think they are a play off team, but if they stay healthy they should be right around .500..
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