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VA removed Vet's gun ownership rights due to PTSD
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:39 am
Pulled from another forum. See paragraph 4 of the letter...
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:40 am to wickowick
Opens the flood gates.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:46 am to wickowick
A few things...
a) the "review" took almost a year (it had obviously started prior to the November 20, 2013 letter);
b) it appears the "review" was after an initial determination for which the guy appealed, which means his gun ownership rights were suspended for some period prior to the November 2013 letter;
c) there is no indication of any actual hearing (only a determination based upon records from his doctor).
Seems to me there could be a due process issue here (considering we're talking about a constitutional right - as well as the fact that in all other instances, you need a COURT ORDER for such a determination [incompetency in handling personal affairs]).
a) the "review" took almost a year (it had obviously started prior to the November 20, 2013 letter);
b) it appears the "review" was after an initial determination for which the guy appealed, which means his gun ownership rights were suspended for some period prior to the November 2013 letter;
c) there is no indication of any actual hearing (only a determination based upon records from his doctor).
Seems to me there could be a due process issue here (considering we're talking about a constitutional right - as well as the fact that in all other instances, you need a COURT ORDER for such a determination [incompetency in handling personal affairs]).
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:46 am to wickowick
isnt the rational behind no more gun control is to use the systems in place to keep crazies from guns?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:46 am to wickowick
scary stuff
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:47 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
isnt the rational behind no more gun control is to use the systems in place to keep crazies from guns?
Whose definition of crazy are we using?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:47 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
isnt the rational behind no more gun control is to use the systems in place to keep crazies from guns?
Yes.
The problem here is that there seems to be some serious question as to how that determination is made.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:49 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
isnt the rational behind no more gun control is to use the systems in place to keep crazies from guns?
*rationale
A diagnosis of PTSD and chronic pain was used to declare this vet incompetent. That's more than a little odd, IMO.
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:50 am to wickowick
Slippery slope no doubt. Easy to see both sides of the argument.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:01 pm to wickowick
PTSD today.
ADD/ADHD tomorrow.
Open your eyes people.
"What we decided for you..."
Seen many, many letters like that.
ADD/ADHD tomorrow.
Open your eyes people.
"What we decided for you..."
Seen many, many letters like that.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:08 pm to wickowick
We're from the Government and we're here to help you... 
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:17 pm to wickowick
quote:
Whose definition of crazy are we using?
easy definition would be if someone claims PTSD to receive disability payments from the VA, they should automatically lose ownership rights.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:26 pm to C
quote:
easy definition would be if someone claims PTSD to receive disability payments from the VA, they should automatically lose ownership rights.
Interesting. in the DSM IV, other similar disorders are listed as:
ADD
ADHD
Depression
etc...
They are going to make so that if you take ANY medication for a mood disorder, you will never own a gun.
BTW, isnt this the first salvo of the veteran;s Disarmament Act?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:27 pm to C
Should they all be declared incompetent?
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:27 pm to CptBengal
quote:
They are going to make so that if you take ANY medication for a mood disorder, you will never own a gun.
And if anyone in your house has taken one.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:32 pm to the808bass
quote:
And if anyone in your house has taken one.
yep.
get ready. Thats why they want access to your medical records.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:32 pm to the808bass
Interrupting my ban to say FRICK THIS GOVERNMENT over this crap.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:09 pm to yumahog
If he has PTSD and they think he will snap, get him treatment and yes no guns. Stop putting guns in the hands of those who might blow away a second grade. Smart move and may save lives
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:11 pm to wickowick
Does any genius here know how the PTSD manifests? Maybe he runs around threatening people.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 1:13 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Tigah, that was my worry. It he is ready to snap, take the gun away and save his and others lives. Smart
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