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Spinoff thread: Was the Montreal Screwjob a work?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:42 pm
I have a really hard time believing that someone with the experience of a Bret Hart would not this that coming a mile away, and then on top of it let Shawn put him in his own submission finish where they could easily ring the bell on him. Also, Bret had reasonable creative control in his contract for the last 30 days. Why did he never sue? Why didn't Vince ever sue Bret for the punch? I saw Sean Waltman make the point that in the Bret documentary Vince sold the punch like hell and that Vince is the kind of guy that would never ever let you see any kind of injury or weakness and that he thought Vince was mugging for the camera.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It was a shoot all day bro
Why would hart be a jobber in his last match?
Why would hart be a jobber in his last match?
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Paul Heyman described it best..
quote:
"If I was the owner I'd do the same thing 'You're dropping the title tonight, no I'm not. frick you yes you are. My money, my company, my investment, my arse. You're dropping the title. Well I don't want to drop the title. Ok. no problem.......He's dropping the fricking title.'"
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:48 pm to GEAUXmedic
Hart's ego got the best of him.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
Why didn't Vince ever sue Bret for the punch?
I think Vince felt bad about the whole thing and had a lot of respect for Bret and didn't think it was worth it. I'm sure it's not the first time he got punched by a wrestler.
I never quite understood why they didn't just let him drop the title at a different time but Bret needs to get over this "But we're in Canada and I'm Canadian" bullshite. By that logic you should only be winning titles in Canada too.
This was the best thing to ever happen to the WWF/E since it marked the beginning of the Attitude Era.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:54 pm to rdw1690
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but Bret needs to get over this "But we're in Canada and I'm Canadian" bullshite. By that logic you should only be winning titles in Canada too.
Later he said it was mostly because Shawn had told him a month or two before that he wouldn't put him over under any circumstances, and Bret wanted Shawn to do the honors first on RAW and then Bret would drop it to him at SS
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
As times passes I tend to believe more that it was a work.
Kevin Nash believes it was as well
Bret really can't complain, it didn't make him look weak and made people sympathize for him at the same time, while maintaining that he was a man of honor.
Kevin Nash believes it was as well
Bret really can't complain, it didn't make him look weak and made people sympathize for him at the same time, while maintaining that he was a man of honor.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 6:15 am to Smokedawg
As a WWE historian, I can say with 100% certainty that it was not a work.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:11 am to Draconian Sanctions
I have no idea what any of this means, but the title "Montreal Screwjob" got my attention.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:10 am to Eternally Undefeated
quote:
I have no idea what any of this means, but the title "Montreal Screwjob" got my attention.
Wrestling has pre-planned finishes that are to happen.
This is one where the promoter and the other wrestler involved changed the finish on the fly and beat the champion in a match where the champion was supposed to retain.
It's a bit long and convoluted to tell, but the results were Bret Hart leaving WWF for WCW, Shawn Michaels becoming WWF champion until Wrestlemania 14, where he lost to Steve Austin and then retired for about 5 years due to a back injury suffered at Royal Rumble two months prior to Wrestlemania, and Vince McMahon using the situation to become a bad guy figurehead for the company and set up the McMahon vs. Steve Austin feud that catapulted WWF into victory over WCW.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:18 am to GEAUXmedic
I think Bret made a good financial decision but he could have been utilized better. Unfortunately he had a stroke shortly after Goldberg kicking him.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 9:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
There was real pressure on Bret that year, he knew WCW was going to double what WWE was paying him even though he was supposed to be a WWE lifer. He had real backstage problems with HBK and anybody who hung out with him, going back to the days of the klik with Nash and Hall. Arguably Bret could have gave a little bit but he didnt feel he had to, and eventually McMahon got pissed with him and it became Bret vs. Vince. It was known that Survivor Series was going to be his last match, and he wanted to go out with glory not getting punked.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:29 am to Draven
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As a WWE historian, I can say with 100% certainty that it was not a work.
Based on what
Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
No.
During that time Shawn would have bragged, he was scared. By that happening it allowed the Mr McMahon character to take form, which in turn allowed Steve Austin to ascend into the best tv wrestling ever offered.
After all these years, if it was a work it would have came out by now. No one, especially shawn, could have kept that secret for so long.
During that time Shawn would have bragged, he was scared. By that happening it allowed the Mr McMahon character to take form, which in turn allowed Steve Austin to ascend into the best tv wrestling ever offered.
After all these years, if it was a work it would have came out by now. No one, especially shawn, could have kept that secret for so long.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:37 am to SEClint
Shawn might not have been in on the work aspect of it
Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
He was in the office when hunter told Vince "frick Bret, if he doesn't want to do business, we will do business for him".
Just the way everyone acted, earl running off the backstage drama. Everything leading up to it with how Blaze treated the title on WCW. No way was Vince McMahon going to even risk his company while barely staying afloat as it already was.
I don't blame him at all.
It's one of the greatest moments in wrestling lore because it was real. Guys like Mick Foley talked about walking out, I don't think Vince would have risked that without letting some in on what was up if it was a work. He did what he did and he won.
Just the way everyone acted, earl running off the backstage drama. Everything leading up to it with how Blaze treated the title on WCW. No way was Vince McMahon going to even risk his company while barely staying afloat as it already was.
I don't blame him at all.
It's one of the greatest moments in wrestling lore because it was real. Guys like Mick Foley talked about walking out, I don't think Vince would have risked that without letting some in on what was up if it was a work. He did what he did and he won.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 10:51 am to SEClint
It was not a work, it was all planned...
From what i read, bascially Vince was scared that if Brett won he'd show up to WCW with the WWE title or some shite like that...
From what i read, bascially Vince was scared that if Brett won he'd show up to WCW with the WWE title or some shite like that...
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:09 am to teke184
quote:the WCW fall was an inside job. Even Eric bischoff said he they let him buy WCW it would have been for a lot more than what Vince bought it for.
Vince McMahon using the situation to become a bad guy figurehead for the company and set up the McMahon vs. Steve Austin feud that catapulted WWF into victory over WCW.
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
The last thing McMahon would want Bret Hart to do is go in Nitro as the WWF champion. It happened with the womens title and McMahon would not let it happen again.
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