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Response thread: secret playbook
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:20 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:20 am
Ive seen many posts in several different topics this week anout how lsu's offense will look different this week than it has the past 3. What in the world is making people think this. If we werent passing the ball 50% of the time against sam houston st, why in the world would we for miss st? I dont get it. It will be the same offense we are used to seeing. Running the ball 70% of the time with the occasional deep ball. Its what lsu is good at. Its why we dominate the 4th qtr. People, just because you want to see a pass happy offense doesnt mean its going to happen
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 9:26 am
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Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:23 am to Spider John
I don't wanna see a pass happy offense. I want to see us not be predictable.
I want to see us run out of 2 adn 3 WR sets. NOT 1 WR and 3 TE sets unless it's short yardage. That's too predictable.
Also, every time JEter is on the field, it's a run. EVERY.TIME.
Whenever we have 2 WRs lined up on the near hash with TE's on that side as well, it's a toss dive. EVERY.TIME.
It's just too predictable. Need to go more single back like bama, more shotgun 3 WR sets to open up the box and let our horses have some room to gallup.
I want to see us run out of 2 adn 3 WR sets. NOT 1 WR and 3 TE sets unless it's short yardage. That's too predictable.
Also, every time JEter is on the field, it's a run. EVERY.TIME.
Whenever we have 2 WRs lined up on the near hash with TE's on that side as well, it's a toss dive. EVERY.TIME.
It's just too predictable. Need to go more single back like bama, more shotgun 3 WR sets to open up the box and let our horses have some room to gallup.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:28 am to Spider John
quote:It's not going to happen! Young QB and young WRs does not warrant itself passing the ball all over the field. A solid running game, stingy defense, and great special teams will be the MO of this team. For those who are asking for more TE involvement, stop! LSU will not force Jennings into interceptions by throwing to the TEs over the middle of the field, where the LBs and Safeties are located. We will see most of the passes go outside the numbers. Coaches understand the personnel of this team better than some fans who think winning a football game is the equivalent to a glamour contest. I'm happy the coaches are playing to the strengths of this team and not doing more than its capable of at this time.
Spider John, I agree with you
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:33 am to Spider John
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Running the ball 70% of the time with the occasional deep ball. Its what lsu is good at. Its why we dominate the 4th qtr.
Honestly, we dominate the 4th quarter because of another thing that LSU is good at, national signing day. We have better players than the other teams. In the 4th quarter, after we have been able to sub freely throughout the game, our best players are not tired while our opponents are worn down. I don't believe it has anything to do with us running the ball 4 out of 6 plays in the first quarter that leads to a punt.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:33 am to sjmabry
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Young QB and young WRs does not warrant itself passing the ball all over the field.
I don't know of anyone who wants to be pass happy?
You sunshine guys do realize that you can run the ball and not be in I-formation, 1 WR, 3 TEs, right?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:36 am to Spider John
Les is the king of the rope-a-dope. He lets his team take shot after shot, blow after blow. Just when you think the game is over or close at halftime, he just keeps coming at you. Same style, same ferocity. The opponent then realizes that they have nothing left, yet the Tigers keep coming.
Before you know it, the game is over, your dreams crushed.
Les goes home a victor.
The Rant bitches about the victory.
Before you know it, the game is over, your dreams crushed.
Les goes home a victor.
The Rant bitches about the victory.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:39 am to Moustache
quote:
You sunshine guys do realize that you can run the ball and not be in I-formation, 1 WR, 3 TEs, right?
I'm pretty sure that Auburn runs the ball every bit as much as LSU. However, I rarely see them with two tight ends, one fullback, and only one wide receiver in the game.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:41 am to Spider John
Because I've followed Cam Cameron's career closely for the past 15 years, he's playing possum. In the NFL, you have completely different game plans for every game. Of course in college you are limited a bit by time but he has shown very little to this point. If you think that what we have seen to this point offensively is all that we are going to see going forward you are ignorant and obtuse.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:43 am to trooploop
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If you think that what we have seen to this point offensively is all that we are going to see going forward you are ignorant and obtuse.
Riiiight. Just like many others said the same thing about LSU in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. The only year that we ever made a significant change to our gameplan was following the Bama game in 2012. Mett threw for 3 straight 300 yard games following his great 2nd half against Bama.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:45 am to Moustache
quote:When LSU needed to run the ball out of a 3 WR formation, it did against Wisky. There was no need to do it the last 2 games. The I formation is our base package, and we are a power running team. Why show all of the different formations against SHSU and ULM? You want to give the first SEC opponent as little film to study as possible. To please the Rant, LSU should have used every play in the playbook against inferior opponents? Zone read, read-option, 5 wide no back, 1 back 4 WR, TE flexed, bubble screens, fly sweeps?
You sunshine guys do realize that you can run the ball and not be in I-formation, 1 WR, 3 TEs, right?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:45 am to Choupique19
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Riiiight. Just like many others said the same thing about LSU in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013.
Was Cam Cameron the offensive coordinator in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012? Did last year's offense look any different than previous years? Amazing that LSU had two 1,000-yard receivers with only one receiver and two tight ends lined up every play.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:45 am to sjmabry
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:47 am to sjmabry
quote:
When LSU needed to run the ball out of a 3 WR formation, it did against Wisky. There was no need to do it the last 2 games. The I formation is our base package, and we are a power running team. Why show all of the different formations against SHSU and ULM? You want to give the first SEC opponent as little film to study as possible. To please the Rant, LSU should have used every play in the playbook against inferior opponents? Zone read, read-option, 5 wide no back, 1 back 4 WR, TE flexed, bubble screens, fly sweeps?
BOOM
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:50 am to Choupique19
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Honestly, we dominate the 4th quarter because of another thing that LSU is good at, national signing day. We have better players than the other teams.
...except when we don't. There are a few teams in the SEC who recruit just as well or better. And being one dimensional is what creates 2 or 3 losses each year. However, with Cam on board, I don't think what you see is what you get this year. I don't think there is a secret playbook, I just think there are some things that we will be able to do when we need to do them. I just don't think the coaches are confident enough in our young guys to do all of those things just yet - nor have we needed to.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:50 am to SabiDojo
The Secret Book has been dusted off and placed back into the shelf.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:55 am to 911Moto
quote:Exactly, which is why you will not see throws to the TEs over the middle of the field, yet. Les Miles will always try to win the game using the base package first. If that is not working, there are other plays in the playbook, as we saw against Wisky. There was exactly zero reason to open the playbook against SHSU and ULM, zero. If a team cannot stop the base package, keep pounding that arse in the ground, and save the other play and formations for when needed.
I don't think there is a secret playbook, I just think there are some things that we will be able to do when we need to do them. I just don't think the coaches are confident enough in our young guys to do all of those things just yet - nor have we needed to.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:58 am to sjmabry
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When LSU needed to run out of a 3 WR formation, it did against Wisky... The I formation is our base package, and we are a power running team. Why show all of the different formations against SHSU and ULM?
Is the idea here that opponent's coaches will only go 1 game back in tape preparation? Because you state yourself that we already gave away some of our magical playbook vs. Wisky. So why did we try to go back in time vs. ULM and pretend that if we don't pass against them State will never see it coming?
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:01 am to sjmabry
quote:
reason to open the playbook
MSU should be good enough to make us open the offense up a bit like vs wiscy.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:02 am to sjmabry
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Why show all of the different formations against SHSU and ULM?
Because it's already on film from Wisconsin. Are you saying that we don't need to actually work on our offense in game situations? If that's the case, why doesn't the defense just run a base 4 man front, cover 3 or man to man defense. Let's not blitz and show other teams what we do. On extra points, let's not give away our "real formation" and we should do something silly like split guys out wide. We don't need the extra points to beat ULM.
Football teams need real, game reps to get better. You run your offense so that your players can get better and learn from mistakes made against opponents. If you want to save one or two specific formations, or plays, go ahead and hold those back. But you don't "hide" 40% of your playbook.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:02 am to madddoggydawg
quote:No sir, but the old tapes from last year have different personnel. Then we had a QB who would have been drafted higher if not for the ACL, 2 stud WRs who went early in the draft, and a RB who went early in the draft. There is not much tape on this current team, so why show our hand to the first SEC opponent, when you can use the base package (I-formation, 2 TEs). There is an unknown with this offense that the coaches didn't want to show too early.
Is the idea here that opponent's coaches will only go 1 game back in tape preparation? Because you state yourself that we already gave away some of our magical playbook vs. Wisky. So why did we try to go back in time vs. ULM and pretend that if we don't pass against them State will never see it coming?
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