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Prediction: Who will be the first to bring race into the NFL discussion

Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:22 pm
...and under what circumstances? Also, what will be the fallout?

This assumes someone with a prominent audience points out the racial/cultural similarities between the 4 NFL players under scrutiny for domestic abuse and those who defended them in the media.

From minimal research Peterson and Rice grew up poor and were exposed to violence and tragedy at a very early age. Greg Hardy grew up poor in Memphis, and Ray McDonald did not seem to have it as bad as the others. Two men, I know they are not the only ones, have been rebuked for what was interpreted as defending Rice (Stephen A Smith) and Peterson (Charles Barkley). Both are black with humble upbringings; Leeds, AL and Hollis, Queens NY, respectively.

So, the moral onslaught from many on the left (ei Maddow, Olberman) has been ongoing against these man for their action, and the many have staked the controversial positions denouncing wife beating and child battery, as if it's a divisive subject.

I predict a right leaning pundit, Thomas Sowell, Krauthammer, perhaps, will weigh in on what the actions of these black men and perhaps the culture that shaped their formative years and likely impacted their approach to relationships and parenting.

They will then be torn to shreds as racists.

Does anyone agree/disagree? Thoughts?

...as an obvious disclaimer, this kind of violence is not exclusive to the AA community or the poor. However, anyone who has taken a college level development course or lived as a functional human being is a ware that the propensity of violence and abuse is increased when experienced in childhood.

Brief bios:

Peterson:
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Peterson was born in Palestine, Texas, to Bonita Brown and Nelson Peterson, who were also star athletes in college.[13] His father was a shooting guard for Idaho State, but his dream of an NBA career was derailed when a gun that his brother was cleaning discharged into his leg.[13][14] His mother, a three-time Texas state champion at Westwood High School, attended the University of Houston on an athletic scholarship and was a sprinter and long jumper.[13] Peterson's best friend was his older brother Brian. Peterson's father nicknamed him "All Day," because his father said he could go all day.[15]

At age 7, Adrian saw his 9-year-old brother Brian killed by a drunk driver as he rode his bicycle.[15] It was around that time that Peterson began to deal with his pain through sports and became interested in football.[16] He was the star of the Pee Wee football team coached by his father and played in the popular Pop Warner Football program when he was 12.[1] When Peterson was 13, his father was arrested for laundering money for a crack cocaine ring.

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Rice:
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Ray Rice was a child when his mother, Janet Rice, told him he was the man of the house.

She didn't tell him in jest, like maybe you've heard when your father leaves for a business trip. Janet was serious.

Ray's father was gunned down in a drive-by shooting when he was 1 year old. Ten years later, his caretaking cousin and father figure died in a car crash

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This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:23 pm
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:31 pm to
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Who will be the first to bring race into the NFL discussion
you just brought it up, so you.
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:31 pm to
You bring up a fascinating aspect to these situations. I certainly haven't kept up with every aspect of these situations, but I've been wondering when somebody would interject race into the discussion.

I'll say this. God help the next white player accused of anything more than testing positive for amphetamines. That guy won't have a chance. Big Ben better be glad that he (apparently) cleaned up his act, although I think they hit him pretty hard the second time he had a situation.

Edit - Speaking of which, is Richie Incognito playing this year? He's good enough to make a team, so if he isn't playing then he has officially (or unofficially) been blackballed by the NFL.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:32 pm to
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you just brought it up, so you.



I said with a prominent audience. I don't have one. But for the sake of argument, sure, I did it.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:32 pm to
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This assumes someone with a prominent audience points out the racial/cultural similarities between the 4 NFL players under scrutiny for domestic abuse and those who defended them in the media.



I posted a similar thread last week asking," will the NAACP try and sue the NFL because the vast majority of the eventual players banned or suspended from the league for domestic violence will be black?" I got zero responses to the thread.
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:37 pm to
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I got zero responses to the thread.


Shoulda told you something.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

I posted a similar thread last week asking," will the NAACP try and sue the NFL because the vast majority of the eventual players banned or suspended from the league for domestic violence will be black?" I got zero responses to the thread.



Interesting. I'm not trying to beat up (no pun intended) of the black community, but recent news with Peterson further highlights statistical trends disproportionately high in the black community that reduce the probability of financial independence.

For example, it was brought up listening to sports talk radio at lunch that Peterson, who is 29 years old, has multiple children with multiple mothers, a disproportionate trend in the AA community.

According this this site LINKhe has at least 7 kids, 3 we know of: 1 died last year from abuse and he's accused of abusing 2.

When I heard that on Jay Moore show, it occurred to me that the narrative could now be advancing beyond just his actions. We will see.

As we saw in Ferguson, race seemed to qualify the legitimacy of one's opinions, so is this headed that way also?
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:44 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

I predict a right leaning pundit, Thomas Sowell, Krauthammer, perhaps, will weigh in on what the actions of these black men and perhaps the culture that shaped their formative years and likely impacted their approach to relationships and parenting.


They could do so without being racist fwiw, or coming off as racist.

Violence begets violence type of thing.

They would be right. But the thing is those commentators don't know how to tread lightly and will say - not surprising so blax are domestic abusers b.c its ghetto culture. m
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

posted a similar thread last week asking," will the NAACP try and sue the NFL because the vast majority of the eventual players banned or suspended from the league for domestic violence will be black?"

That may be one of the dumbest threads I've ever heard on this board.
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I got zero responses to the thread

Ok looks like the rest of the board agrees with me
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:47 pm to
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I'm not trying to beat up (no pun intended) of the black community,

Well by making this a race issue because of the actions of 4 individuals (in a league with over 1100 blacks), what else are you really doing?
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:47 pm to
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They would be right. But the thing is those commentators don't know how to tread lightly and will say - not surprising so blax are domestic abusers b.c its ghetto culture. m



I agree, and I think most of us agree, "ghetto culture," or "white trash" or even Muslims and Latin Americans view violence differently than the suburban white liberals/conservatives casting judgment so fiercely.

I'm not condoning or excusing any of it, though that's irrelevant. Where's society's moral line and how does it stop with the law. But I think it's obvious one's background and upbringing influences their future behavior for better or worse.

This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:51 pm
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:47 pm to
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That may be one of the dumbest threads I've ever heard on this board.



So are you saying that if suspensions and bans come they won't be a majority of blacks involved? Or are you saying that charges of racism won't be levied when this takes place?
Or are you simply someone that likes to take jabs without explaining himself?
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:50 pm to

quote:

Well by making this a race issue because of the actions of 4 individuals (in a league with over 1100 blacks), what else are you really doing?


I'm pointing out the obvious. Every news or sports outlet is currently leading with stories about athletes committing abuse and the NFLs response. All of these athletes are black.

Don't make me reiterate all the disclaimers. I know not every person of a given race does X and Y.

But yes, I'm bringing up race on here to generate discussion on when someone with an audience does the same.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:50 pm to
Charles Barkley already said this is how black people in the South discipline their kids.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

So are you saying that if suspensions and bans come they won't be a majority of blacks involved

Clarify what you mean by majority of blacks. Do you mean the majority of those punished would be black? Very likely considering the NFL is overwhelmingly blacks.
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Or are you saying that charges of racism won't be levied when this takes place?

No, I do not believe the NAACP will sue the NFL if peterson, rice, etc get suspended. I know you live in an isolated bubble, but its not like theres a legions of blacks coming to the defense of peterson, rice, etc.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

I'm pointing out the obvious. Every news or sports outlet is currently leading with stories about athletes committing abuse and the NFLs response. All of these athletes are black.

Its 4 individuals. In a league with over 1100 black athletes. Do I need to explain this further?
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

Charles Barkley already said this is how black people in the South discipline their kids.


Yes, but I think the narrative has changed somewhat as the story has grown and Barkley himself became part of it.

Obviously feel free to disagree.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57832 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

No, I do not believe the NAACP will sue the NFL if peterson, rice, etc get suspended. I know you live in an isolated bubble, but its not like theres a legions of blacks coming to the defense of peterson, rice, etc.



I live in the same bubble you live in and am privy to the very same info you are. But don't let that stop your condescending tone.
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:59 pm to
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Its 4 individuals. In a league with over 1100 black athletes. Do I need to explain this further?



Maybe. So you do not think the correlation (or lack thereof) of race and the multiple accused will be made an issue in the eyes of the national media? Fair enough.

Are you accusing me of something? You seemed to take offense at my post saying that certain statistically disproportionate behavior patterns were now being discussed.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:59 pm to
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I live in the same bubble you live in

Not at all, buddy.
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