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Atheist airman must swear 'so help me God' or get out in November
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:00 pm
Atheist airman must swear 'so help me God' or get out in November
When and Why the hell congress sneak this shite in. Are Atheist no longer worthy to defend our country? Doesn't the constitution ban requiring a religious test hold an office or public trust.
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An atheist airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada has until November to change his mind and swear a reenlistment oath to God, the Air Force said.
The unnamed airman was denied reenlistment Aug. 25 for refusing to take an oath that concludes with the phrase “so help me God,” the American Humanist Association said in a Sept. 2 letter to the inspectors general for the Air Force and Creech. In her letter, Monica Miller, an attorney with the AHA’s Apignani Humanist Legal Center, said the airman should be given the choice to reenlist by swearing a secular oath. She said the AHA will sue if the airman is not allowed to reenlist.
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The AHA’s letter also called attention to a quiet update last year of Air Force rules governing reenlistments, which now require all airmen to swear an oath to God.
Air Force Instruction 36-2606 spells out the active-duty oath of enlistment, which all airmen must take when they enlist or reenlist and ends with “so help me God.” The old version of that AFI included an exception: “Note: Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.”
That language was dropped in an Oct. 30, 2013, update to the AFI. The relevant section of that AFI now only lists the active-duty oath of enlistment, without giving airmen any option to choose not to swear an oath to a deity.
“Reciting ‘So help me God’ in the reenlistment and commissioning oaths is a statutory requirement under Title 10 USC 502,” Air Force spokeswoman Rose Richeson said Thursday. AFI 36-2606 “is consistent with the language mandated in 10 USC 502. Paragraph 5.6 [and] was changed in October 2013 to reflect the aforementioned statutory requirement and airmen are no longer authorized to omit the words ‘So help me God.’ ”
The Air Force said it cannot change its AFI to make “so help me God” optional unless Congress changes the statute mandating it.
When and Why the hell congress sneak this shite in. Are Atheist no longer worthy to defend our country? Doesn't the constitution ban requiring a religious test hold an office or public trust.
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:03 pm to Socratics
frick, hold your nose and say four words. Goddamn it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:03 pm to Socratics
There are no atheists in foxholes.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:04 pm to Socratics
A good airman would follow orders & do what he's told.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:05 pm to RollTide1987
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There are no atheists in foxholes.
I believe that. I'd bet most other atheists say a prayer on their deathbeds too. Just in case.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:07 pm to Socratics
I'm sure they say god damn or jesus christ or some other phrase. Don't know why they cant just look at it the same way- as just an expression.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:07 pm to Socratics
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:09 pm to Socratics
This thread is all kinds of levels of insane. 
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:09 pm to Tiguar
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I'm sure they say god damn or jesus christ or some other phrase. Don't know why they cant just look at it the same way- as just an expression.
I say both of those, and I will also follow along in grace and/or prayer with my family. I'm not religious, but I'm not enough of an a-hole to make a big deal about it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:11 pm to Socratics
The military isnt a social experiment
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:15 pm to street pizza
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frick, hold your nose and say four words. Goddamn it.
Interesting, so if all soldiers had to praise Allah, you'd be cool with it?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:16 pm to Socratics
How does an atheist get sworn in as a witness in court? I recall "so help you God" included.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:23 pm to socraticsilence
If you believe Allah is God, isn't that exactly what is happening?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:24 pm to Socratics
This is bullshite and should not be allowed at first glance of me looking at this. I hope there's more to this story.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:26 pm to Sentrius
I agree that it is bullshite that the rule is in place but sometimes you have to know when to pick your battles.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:38 pm to Socratics
That seems rather odd to have changed the law like that. It makes no sense.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:42 pm to Jake88
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How does an atheist get sworn in as a witness in court? I recall "so help you God" included.
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Do you solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the testimony you shall give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth; under the pains and penalties of perjury.
Alright, ill admit it doesn't sound as cool.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:48 pm to Socratics
I swore in when it was optional, apparently. We also swore in with a group of other enlistees so there would be no way to tell who actually said the words. It sounds like some congressman pointed out to the air force staff at the pentagon that they were breaking the rules with the afi.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:50 pm to Socratics
What makes no sense to me is why this is required for an atheist when obviously it is utterly meaningless to an atheist? I would rather he swear to something that is more likely to compel him to uphold his oath, perhaps "so help me dad" or "so help me Tom Cruise."
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:55 pm to Socratics
fricking chair force.
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The Air Force used to allow airmen to omit the phrase “so help me God” if they so chose. But an Oct. 30, 2013, update to Air Force Instruction 36-2606, which spells out the active-duty oath of enlistment, dropped that option. Since that quiet update to the AFI, airmen have been required to swear an oath to a deity when they enlist or reenlist.
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