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Hawks co owner email
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:17 pm
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This is crazy. I see nothing wrong or even insensitive about this email. I owned a promotions company in the past and have had the exact conversations... and I am black.
This is crazy. I see nothing wrong or even insensitive about this email. I owned a promotions company in the past and have had the exact conversations... and I am black.
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:18 pm to mikelowery1911
Erry'body wanna be like Mike Lowery
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:20 pm to John McClane
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Erry'body wanna be like Mike Lowery
Ha!
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:21 pm to mikelowery1911
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:21 pm to mikelowery1911
Full email here......
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The following is the e-mail that Hawks co-owner Bruce Levenson sent to general manager Danny Ferry in August 2012. Levenson cited the inappropriate nature of the e-mail as the reason he announced Sunday that he would sell his interest in the team. Levenson reported the e-mail to the NBA.
From: Bruce Levenson
To: Ferry, Danny
CC: Foreman, Todd (ucg.com); Peskowitz, Ed (ucg.com)
Sent: 8/25/2012 11:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: Business/Game ops
1. from day one i have been impressed with the friendliness and professionalism of the arena staff — food vendors, ushers, ticket takers, etc. in our early years when i would bring folks from dc they were blown away by the contrast between abe pollin’s arena and philips. some of this is attributable to southern hospital and manners but bob and his staff do a good job of training. To this day, I can not get the ushers to call me Bruce yet they insist on me calling them by their first names.
2. the non-premium area food is better than most arenas, though that is not saying much. i think there is room for improvement and creativity. Levy is our food vendor so we don’t have much control but they have been good partners. i have wished we had some inconic offereing like boog’s barbeque at the baseball stadium in balt.
3. our new restaurant, red, just opened so too early for me to give you my thoughts.
4. Regarding game ops, i need to start with some background. for the first couple of years we owned the team, i didn’t much focus on game ops. then one day a light bulb went off. when digging into why our season ticket base is so small, i was told it is because we can’t get 35-55 white males and corporations to buy season tixs and they are the primary demo for season tickets around the league. when i pushed further, folks generally shrugged their shoulders. then i start looking around our arena during games and notice the following:
— it’s 70 pct black
— the cheerleaders are black
— the music is hip hop
— at the bars it’s 90 pct black
— there are few fathers and sons at the games
— we are doing after game concerts to attract more fans and the concerts are either hip hop or gospel.
Then i start looking around at other arenas. It is completely different. Even DC with its affluent black community never has more than 15 pct black audience.
Before we bought the hawks and for those couple years immediately after in an effort to make the arena look full (at the nba’s urging) thousands and thousands of tickets were being giving away, predominantly in the black community, adding to the overwhelming black audience.
My theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites and there are simply not enough affluent black fans to build a signficant season ticket base. Please dont get me wrong. There was nothing threatening going on in the arean back then. i never felt uncomfortable, but i think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or at a bar where they were in the minority. On fan sites i would read comments about how dangerous it is around philips yet in our 9 years, i don’t know of a mugging or even a pick pocket incident. This was just racist garbage. When I hear some people saying the arena is in the wrong place I think it is code for there are too many blacks at the games.
I have been open with our executive team about these concerns. I have told them I want some white cheerleaders and while i don’t care what the color of the artist is, i want the music to be music familiar to a 40 year old white guy if that’s our season tixs demo. i have also balked when every fan picked out of crowd to shoot shots in some time out contest is black. I have even bitched that the kiss cam is too black.
Gradually things have changed. My unscientific guess is that our crowd is 40 pct black now, still four to five times all other teams. And my further guess is that 40 pct still feels like 70 pet to some whites at our games. Our bars are still overwhelmingly black.
This is obviously a sensitive topic, but sadly i think it is far and way the number one reason our season ticket base is so low.
And many of our black fans don’t have the spendable income which explains why our f&b and merchandise sales are so low. At all white thrasher games sales were nearly triple what they are at hawks games (the extra intermission explains some of that but not all).
Regardless of what time a game starts, we have the latest arriving crowd in the league. It often looks and sounds empty when the team takes the floor.
In the past two years, we have created a section of rowdy college students that has been a big plus. And we do a lot of very clever stuff during time outs to entertain the crowd. Our kiss cam is better done than any in the league.
We have all the same halftime acts that other arenas have but i question whether they make sense. people are on their cell phones during half time. i wonder if flashing on the scoreboard “$2 off on hot dogs during halftime tonight” just as the half ends would be a better use of our halftime dollars and make the fans happier.
We do all the usual giveways and the fans are usually their loudest when our spirit crew takes the floor to give away t-shirts. It pisses me off that they will yell louder for a t-shirt then for our players.
Our player intro is flat. We manufacture a lot of noise but because of the late arriving crowd and the fact that a lot of blacks dont seem to go as crazy cheering (another one of my theories) as whites, it is not great. Even when we have just returned from winnng four straight on the road, i am one of the few people in the arena standing and cheering when our team takes the floor. Bob has kicked around ideas like having the starters coming down aisles rather than off the bench during intros. Sounds cool but may highlight all the empty seats at the start of games.
Not enough of our fans wear hawks jerseys to games. i have just begun to push for ideas like discount food lines for folks wearing jerseys, special entrances, etc. I think we need a committed and perhaps incentivized fan club. We need to realize atl is simply different than every other city. Just adopting nba best practices is not enough. we have to create our own.
I am rambling and could probably go on forever. If you have any specific areas you would like my thoughts on, let me know.
Best,
Bruce
ps — I have cc’d todd and ed so they can chime in with additional or different thoughts.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:21 pm to mikelowery1911
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Bad Boys reference
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:26 pm to Wild Thang
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Bad Boys reference
The???? Were a typo. I got the reference!!!
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:27 pm to Sentrius
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Sentrius
Reading that email fully for the first time just makes me mad.
Dude is the owner of a million dollar company. He is trying to get ideas on how to improve sales. There is nothing wrong in that email at all. Total bullshite IMO.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:29 pm to mikelowery1911
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The???? Were a typo. I got the reference!!!
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:38 pm to John McClane
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Erry'body wanna be like Mike Lowery
To the OP - you are brighter than some of your counterparts with that assessment. Unfortunately, there are tons of stereotypes in both of our cultures that are also true.
Either way, have to hand it to him to self report and he came clean. Maybe he was being blackmailed or something as well.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:53 pm to Wild Thang
quote:Th email got me angry for different reasons. Dude is a part owner of a multi million dollar company... yet he is basing all of his business decisions off of a personal visit from a specific perspective of a few games.
Reading that email fully for the first time just makes me mad.
Dude is the owner of a million dollar company. He is trying to get ideas on how to improve sales. There is nothing wrong in that email at all. Total bullshite IMO.
Rich people can be really dumb at times.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:57 pm to mmcgrath
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Th email got me angry for different reasons. Dude is a part owner of a multi million dollar company... yet he is basing all of his business decisions off of a personal visit from a specific perspective of a few games.
Ok buddy. All successful people tend to look at reality.
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Rich people can be really dumb at times.
So can people who are pc faux racist 'victims'
You people are ruining this country.
eta: Don't see you in the black gang beating white people out cold threads. Where is your liberal outrage?
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:59 pm to mikelowery1911
Pathetic that he apologized.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:00 am to Wild Thang
[quote]Dude is the owner of a million dollar company. He is trying to get ideas on how to improve sales. There is nothing wrong in that email at all. Total bullshite IMO.[/quote
He even calls out white people on their BS excuses for not going to games.
He even calls out white people on their BS excuses for not going to games.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:01 am to Golfer
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He even calls out white people on their BS excuses for not going to games.
But racism!!!! fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:02 am to Wild Thang
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Reading that email fully for the first time just makes me mad.
I think he'll be fine
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:02 am to Sentrius
If that email is racist then I don't want to know what I am.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:04 am to Tigah in the ATL
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I think he'll be fine
The point of the issue flows over your racist head to begin with.
Not surprising.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:06 am to Wild Thang
You know that reading that email a lot of what he cited as perception has some truths in it. The disposable income in this country rests largely with the 35-55 white male demographic. There is truth to that.
Black fans have the perception that going to places is more of a club event than a game to cheer. It's why they have such a bad reputation at movie theaters , they spend more time hanging out/talking on the phone. I've experienced it multiple times and I'm like didn't you pay to watch this movie?? And always empty handed as far as F&B is concerned.
Heck last night at halftime at LSU a group of black "fans" showed up (none sporting LSU gear and dressed like hip hop culture) to watch the game. Again no F&B and clearly no mdse sales. I mean an organization can't be successful if the fans aren't buying the gear and concessions at the games. And it can't generate buzz if the stadium is empty at the beginning and little crowd support.
I mean demographics play a huge part in business. This guy was pointing out the failures of his business model because of the demographic. It's a legit discussion.
Black fans have the perception that going to places is more of a club event than a game to cheer. It's why they have such a bad reputation at movie theaters , they spend more time hanging out/talking on the phone. I've experienced it multiple times and I'm like didn't you pay to watch this movie?? And always empty handed as far as F&B is concerned.
Heck last night at halftime at LSU a group of black "fans" showed up (none sporting LSU gear and dressed like hip hop culture) to watch the game. Again no F&B and clearly no mdse sales. I mean an organization can't be successful if the fans aren't buying the gear and concessions at the games. And it can't generate buzz if the stadium is empty at the beginning and little crowd support.
I mean demographics play a huge part in business. This guy was pointing out the failures of his business model because of the demographic. It's a legit discussion.
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