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The Alamo (2004)
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:23 pm
This movie was panned by critics when it first came out 10 years ago and was a box office dud. I went to see it twice in theaters back then and I never quite understood the hate that it got. I thought the three leads (Billy Bob Thorton, Patrick Wilson, and Jason Patric) all did a solid job portraying their characters. And I really liked Dennis Quaid's approach to Sam Houston.
The production values were great, with the producers constructing an 1836 version of San Antonio around a reconstructed Alamo. The battle scenes, with the exception of one or two shots, was filmed with nothing but extras and both the Alamo battle as well as the San Jacinto battle are both masterfully shot and directed.
I would recommend it to those who haven't seen it yet.
The production values were great, with the producers constructing an 1836 version of San Antonio around a reconstructed Alamo. The battle scenes, with the exception of one or two shots, was filmed with nothing but extras and both the Alamo battle as well as the San Jacinto battle are both masterfully shot and directed.
I would recommend it to those who haven't seen it yet.
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Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:40 pm to RollTide1987
Very underrated. I'm sure most people on this board hate it but I think it's a solid movie
Posted on 9/7/14 at 7:46 pm to RollTide1987
Being somewhat a historian of the battle and players of the event, let us say they over used the De Le Pena letters. Of course Texas A&M says they are good, because they spend a ton of cash on them, but the hand writing, paper types and events in the letters seem to have knowledge not well known until after the vast research of the 1920's was complete does the letters (diary) show up in Mexico in the 40's at a time when US buyers where paying prime money on anything about the Alamo.
Wayne's Alamo maybe better movie, yes we know the final attack was at night, but he want a grant view of the battle not limited shots.
Davy was killed in the court yard, this is known to those who do a little research on the battle, Davy wore a Fox tail stove pipe hat with no bream at the Alamo. A Mexican Sgt. is an eye witness to the battle in the court yard descripts a man in that yard with an odd hat shooting and hitting everyone he shoots at. it took a Lt to run up to him with a sword to cut him down between changing guns to fire again. The Davy is bayoneted by the soldiers following the Lt.
The Mexicans were killing near everything that moved that night, Joe and the few others that survived where very lucky.
The 2004 movie is correct in Davy did play his music to help with the morale. Left out of both movies is Davy only came with less than 5 men and that he was send out of the Alamo not long before the fall to gather men, he and about 35-50 men came into the Alamo near the very end.
The construct of the Alamo is far better in the 2004 version, but the value is limited when compared to Wayne's grant picture.
The cut Wayne picture is the better of the two, but that is personal opinion. The music in Wayne's is done by a master and could be one of the top 10 movie scores of all time.
Wayne's Alamo maybe better movie, yes we know the final attack was at night, but he want a grant view of the battle not limited shots.
Davy was killed in the court yard, this is known to those who do a little research on the battle, Davy wore a Fox tail stove pipe hat with no bream at the Alamo. A Mexican Sgt. is an eye witness to the battle in the court yard descripts a man in that yard with an odd hat shooting and hitting everyone he shoots at. it took a Lt to run up to him with a sword to cut him down between changing guns to fire again. The Davy is bayoneted by the soldiers following the Lt.
The Mexicans were killing near everything that moved that night, Joe and the few others that survived where very lucky.
The 2004 movie is correct in Davy did play his music to help with the morale. Left out of both movies is Davy only came with less than 5 men and that he was send out of the Alamo not long before the fall to gather men, he and about 35-50 men came into the Alamo near the very end.
The construct of the Alamo is far better in the 2004 version, but the value is limited when compared to Wayne's grant picture.
The cut Wayne picture is the better of the two, but that is personal opinion. The music in Wayne's is done by a master and could be one of the top 10 movie scores of all time.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:21 pm to tigger1
My ex got mad at me because she didn't know what The Alamo was when I brought it up in conversation so she asked me what it was.
And I looked at her wide-eyed.
She asked if that was a dumb question.
I said yes.
And I looked at her wide-eyed.
She asked if that was a dumb question.
I said yes.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:31 pm to Pectus
i'm sure that went over well ... they should remake it using today's production techniques and the most up-to-date accurate information possible ...
This post was edited on 9/7/14 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:42 pm to tiderider
Were there any good shots of the basement ?
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:49 pm to fleaux
I was looking forward to this film but was let down a bit. I still watch it from time to time.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 8:50 pm to fleaux
I enjoyed it very much but apparently it could have been way better
Ron Howard had signed on to do it and it had twice the budget but apparently the studio balked at the last minute and Howard pulled out
They had to rewrite some stuff and get a new director. That hurt its marketability IMO
Still a good movie and I love all things alamo related
Ron Howard had signed on to do it and it had twice the budget but apparently the studio balked at the last minute and Howard pulled out
They had to rewrite some stuff and get a new director. That hurt its marketability IMO
Still a good movie and I love all things alamo related
Posted on 9/7/14 at 9:36 pm to dallastiger55
Yeah...I remember the early days of pre-production. Ron Howard was set to direct and Russell Crowe was supposed to headline as Sam Houston along with other big name actors playing the roles of Jim Bowie and William Travis. I believe Billy Bob Thorton was always going to be Davie Crockett.
It was supposed to be a 3-hour epic as well as an R-rated film. That's where the studio began to have problems. They wanted it PG-13 but Howard refused, instead opting to show the horrors of war rather than some "dumbed down" glorification of it.
When the studio stood firm Howard bolted from the project with Crowe.
It was supposed to be a 3-hour epic as well as an R-rated film. That's where the studio began to have problems. They wanted it PG-13 but Howard refused, instead opting to show the horrors of war rather than some "dumbed down" glorification of it.
When the studio stood firm Howard bolted from the project with Crowe.
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:16 pm to RollTide1987
Some of it is just so stiff and awkwardly scripted.
In the scene where Santa Anna goes over the final siege plans with his officers, they're all standing together in perfectly clean dress uniforms, standing close as if the whole scene was based on a formal portrait. Not to mention Santa Anna is snacking on food the whole time, muttering cheesy lines about how soldiers are nothing more than "so many chickens."
In the scene where Santa Anna goes over the final siege plans with his officers, they're all standing together in perfectly clean dress uniforms, standing close as if the whole scene was based on a formal portrait. Not to mention Santa Anna is snacking on food the whole time, muttering cheesy lines about how soldiers are nothing more than "so many chickens."
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:29 pm to tigger1
quote:I have the cd
The music in Wayne's is done by a master and could be one of the top 10 movie scores of all time.
Ive always thought there is a great as yet to be made bio of Sam Houston
man had one of the most remarkable lives ever
Posted on 9/7/14 at 10:50 pm to PowerTool
quote:
muttering cheesy lines about how soldiers are nothing more than "so many chickens."
Santa Anna actually said that though. His exact quote was: "What are the lives of soldiers than of so many chickens?"
Posted on 9/7/14 at 11:28 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
This movie was panned by critics when it first came out 10 years ago
I liked it. But it did seem like one of those movies that the critics were eager to bash.
Posted on 9/8/14 at 12:17 am to RollTide1987
For all I know, the entire scene was accurate. It just didn't come across as modern Hollywood, more like a stiff stage production. I was also ticked that I could barely read the subtitles because of the text color and speed.
Anyway, i didn't say it was terrible, but it could have been much better given the epic ambitions.
Anyway, i didn't say it was terrible, but it could have been much better given the epic ambitions.
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