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What can the USA really do to eliminate ISIS?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:51 pm
In my opinion, nothing. There's not a damn thing we can do to stop those people for behaving this way.
There is not much we can do to stop them
What? Sanctions? Bombs? Boots on the Ground?
Zilch
There is not much we can do to stop them
What? Sanctions? Bombs? Boots on the Ground?
Zilch
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:52 pm to BigPapi21
Drop a damn bomb over Al-Raqqah as that is ISIS's headquarters and base.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:52 pm to goldennugget
Yea, but how many innocent people will we be responsible for murdering?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:53 pm to BigPapi21
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Boots on the Ground?
Well we had them there but Obama brought them all home cause the 'iraq war was over'.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:55 pm to BigPapi21
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Yea, but how many innocent people will we be responsible for murdering?
A question we shouldn't consider when 3000+ were murdered on 9/11 and thousands more may be murdered with their next attack on America. Unfortunately we are at war, innocent people die.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:55 pm to BigPapi21
We could convert them to Christianity. That'll curb their bloodlust.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:58 pm to BigPapi21
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What can the USA really do to eliminate ISIS?
I answered this over on the OT yesterday.....
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The bottom line is these people at ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're calling themselves today is that they are beheading these reporters (and other innocent civilians) for two reasons:
1. They can
2. They think it benefits their cause
The way to stop this is for the US to convince them that they are wrong on both #1 & #2. Now it becomes a questions of how. How do we make them see that they cannot kill innocent civilians and it does not benefit them to try? Well first we have to identify a strategy that will communicate to them what we want them to know. In short, how do we get them to understand what we want them to understand? The answer to this is violence, fear, and shock. These are the tools they use to get their message across because these are the things they know best. What we have to do is use these tools to make them see that their use of these three things (violence, fear, and shock) will not result in anything benifical to them. Instead their use of these things will result in an in-kind response from us on a level that makes anything they can try pale in comparison. Make them see that we are very willing and able to unleash a level of death and destruction on them that if allowed to go on would result in the total destruction of their civilization. A good place to start would be to begin a bombing campaign on their "capital" of Ar-Raqqah. We should bomb it around the clock for a week solid with every B-1 and B-52 that we can put in the sky. Bomb the place until there is literally nothing but dust. This is the only thing that will ever make them stop. The sad part though is too many here in the west are so politically correct that we do not have the stomach to go through with it. Thus ISIS will continue to grow into a worse and worse threat until finally they are in a position to pull off an attack (or attacks) as bad or worse than 9/11.
I later clarified my remarks with this...
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Sad but true. Up[ to this point we've only gone in with half measures. We're so wrapped up in trying to make them like us and not wanting to "offend" anyone that we've blinded ourselves to the fact that to people like ISIS, there is literally nothing they want from us short of doing to every man woman and child here what they've done to these reporters. To them we're "apostates" and thus below dog shite and deserving of death. Short of killing ourselves, there is no bargaining chip we have that they want. There is no reasoning or negotiating with a group when the only things you have that they want is your life.
And before anyone thinks I'm just saying to "nuke" them, I went on to also say this....
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You totally missed my point. I never said to nuke them. Instead I said that to end this threat we've got to respond to their violence and terror in such an overwhelming manner they realize there is nothing to gain and much to lose from continued hostile acts of terror towards us. This overwheming response IMO should be about two solid weeks of 24 hour a day rain of 500 lb GP bombs from an unending stream of B1s, B52s, and any other aircraft in our inventory capable of reaching their capital and dropping ordnance. Bomb their capital into dust and then scatter that dust in a hale storm of American iron. Make them sit there for day after day huddled in their bomb shelters until they start howling like dogs. And if they try anything else then go to the next city and give it the same treatment.
Is that brutal? Is that cruel? Yes, but if you have a better way to make them stop, I'd love to hear it.
Any questions?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:02 pm to constant cough
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Well we had them there but Obama brought them all home cause the 'iraq war was over'.
Exactly!!
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:05 pm to constant cough
Putting 150,000 boots on the ground will NOT solve this problem. In part it helped create it. In doing this you will kill A LOT of the IS operatives which is a fine thing but it doesn't stop it from happening again. Tack on the amount of collateral damage/civilian casualties and it will only piss off more Iraqis. Iraqi people look at our military as a conquering invading force there to kill them. It's a lose lose scenario. Our regular military is not good at engaging an enemy that engulfs itself in the civilian populous. We have shown this for over a decade.
The way to do this is with our special forces. Give then broad left and right limits and loose ROE and emplace them with the Kurds and Iraqi military forces in Baghdad. Whatever air support they need give it to them and watch how fast this gets resolved. Push these guys back into Syria then GTFO.
The way to do this is with our special forces. Give then broad left and right limits and loose ROE and emplace them with the Kurds and Iraqi military forces in Baghdad. Whatever air support they need give it to them and watch how fast this gets resolved. Push these guys back into Syria then GTFO.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:05 pm to BigPapi21
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What can the USA really do to eliminate ISIS?
you can't eliminate a terrorist group. they are in every country.
just protect yourself from harm is all you can do.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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Any questions?
Consider the fact that they think "their god" is real and more powerful and that with him they cannot lose in the long run.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:09 pm to baybeefeetz
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Consider the fact that they think "their god" is real and more powerful and that with him they cannot lose in the long run.
We've faced a similar foe in the past. If we learn the lessons of history, we can find the answer to the ISIS question by looking there.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:12 pm to Darth_Vader
When, specifically. Japan?
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:18 pm to baybeefeetz
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When, specifically. Japan?
Exactly. The Japanese looked at us as inferior dogs and fought for their god (who just so happened to be their Emperor). In addition to this, they preferred suicide to defeat even to the point they actively sought death in the name of their god.
So how did we finally make Japan, a fanatical enemy who glorified death in the name of their god, to completely, totally, and unconditionally surrender? The answer to that question is what it will require to get this ISIS (and all the others as well) to finally stop their attacks and abandon terrorism against the west.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:23 pm to Darth_Vader
Well, not saying this is the answer but Japan hasn't fricked with us since.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:26 pm to Darth_Vader
Japan was an individual nation that declared war on the U.S. We are currently fighting an idea. Japan isn't an idea. Not the same really.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:31 pm to BigPapi21
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Yea, but how many innocent people will we be responsible for murdering?
That wasn't the question. You said there wasn't anything that can be done. There is always something that can be done.
Question is What are we (Leaders and citizens) willing to do to eliminate the threat?
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