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Good articles about SELA soil erosion- 50 years before NOLA surrounded by Gulf
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:12 am
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In just 80 years, some 2,000 square miles of its coastal landscape have turned to open water, wiping places off maps, bringing the Gulf of Mexico to the back door of New Orleans and posing a lethal threat to an energy and shipping corridor vital to the nation’s economy. And it’s going to get worse, even quicker. Scientists now say one of the greatest environmental and economic disasters in the nation’s history is rushing toward a catastrophic conclusion over the next 50 years, so far unabated and largely unnoticed
While I don't necessarily agree with pointing fingers over who is responsible for this, I do think the science is right in the article. Scary times we live in. Eventually the New Orleans levees will be surrounded by the gulf, and that is something that will affect everyone.
SIAP- searched didn't see anything
Propublica LINK
Times Picayune LINK
This post was edited on 8/30/14 at 11:16 am
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Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:16 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:
While I don't necessarily agree with pointing fingers over who is responsible for this
You have to know how something happened to stop it from continuing or happening again. It's not finger pointing, it's evidence building.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:23 am to NYNolaguy1
I enjoyed the link, thx.
50 billion to rebuild. Dang.
50 billion to rebuild. Dang.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:25 am to recruitnik
quote:
You have to know how something happened to stop it from continuing or happening again. It's not finger pointing, it's evidence building.
I think the finger could be pointed in many directions- from the Army Corps installing levees after 1927, to the oil companies creating canals, to the TVA damming the Miss. River upstream, to (at least in some circles-not mine) climate change & hurricanes sucking soil out of the marshes.
However, the oil companies have the most money to lose, and the easiest name to bash, so I feel like they naturally become the criminal most of the time. The other 90% of the reasons get forgotten too easily.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:27 am to NYNolaguy1
If you had to choose only 1 - the more damaging factor is
A) Oil company canals
or
B) Corps levees
What y'all think?
A) Oil company canals
or
B) Corps levees
What y'all think?
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:29 am to Meauxjeaux
The link says the corps levees did some damage but wasn't fatal. Wasn't until the oil companies came in and dug all those canals.
I didn't realize there were so many wells.
It's prob a catch 22. Without the oil money where would we be?
I didn't realize there were so many wells.
It's prob a catch 22. Without the oil money where would we be?
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:34 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:
If you had to choose only 1 - the more damaging factor is
It would be the TVA in my book. There's a net loss of river deposits at the delta. If you took all of the soil coming out of the Miss. River and spread it out evenly over the whole coast, it'd still losing more than it gains. This is because more sediment gets trapped behind all of the dams between Head of Passes and the entire trib area than what the gulf takes away. If we undammed all of the rivers and took out the levees, the problem would go away.
It would also decimate the populations with annual flooding, and take drinking water from most of the Miss. River valley, so someone's going to lose regardless.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:37 am to Meauxjeaux
Oil company canals.
Especially in Terrebonne and Lafourche.
Especially in Terrebonne and Lafourche.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:42 am to CHEDBALLZ
Cause an effect, oil companies and levees
I don't think it's fair to point fingers from something we all benefit from. I don't know enough to think/come up with a solution 50 billion may be worth the investment
I don't think it's fair to point fingers from something we all benefit from. I don't know enough to think/come up with a solution 50 billion may be worth the investment
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:46 am to mailman
Just spend the $50 billion.
Geez, Obama had an $800 Billion stimulus for "shovel ready" projects and no one knows what happened to the money. We have nothing to show for it. Spend $50 B down here and solidify Louisiana. It makes good business sense.
But, politicians will dither and not do it because it doesn't benefit those with power. When the Gulf takes over, the shipping and oil production will just go elsewhere. No one is spending $50 Billion to save "culture."
Louisiana needs to do it herself. Just make it the goal of the state in every way over the next 25 years.
Geez, Obama had an $800 Billion stimulus for "shovel ready" projects and no one knows what happened to the money. We have nothing to show for it. Spend $50 B down here and solidify Louisiana. It makes good business sense.
But, politicians will dither and not do it because it doesn't benefit those with power. When the Gulf takes over, the shipping and oil production will just go elsewhere. No one is spending $50 Billion to save "culture."
Louisiana needs to do it herself. Just make it the goal of the state in every way over the next 25 years.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:51 am to AlaTiger
$50B is the cost today. The price just continues to increase with each year
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:54 am to swampdawg
Yeah, Louisiana ought to put a full court press on to get this done.
It was $15 Billion right after Katrina, if I remember correctly. I remember listening to a radio show on WWL in 2006 or so and they had an expert on and he explained the whole problem for about an hour. He said that the whole thing could be fixed for $15 Billion. It was amazing to me that the Louisiana Congressional delegation could not get that done. Now, it is 3 times that much because things get more expensive and the problem gets worse.
It will cost $500 Billion in 30 years. And, then it won't be possible.
It was $15 Billion right after Katrina, if I remember correctly. I remember listening to a radio show on WWL in 2006 or so and they had an expert on and he explained the whole problem for about an hour. He said that the whole thing could be fixed for $15 Billion. It was amazing to me that the Louisiana Congressional delegation could not get that done. Now, it is 3 times that much because things get more expensive and the problem gets worse.
It will cost $500 Billion in 30 years. And, then it won't be possible.
Posted on 8/30/14 at 11:54 am to NYNolaguy1
If you look at the four pictures in the NOLA article, the land loss between 1956 and 1985 (29 years) is insane, especially west of the river.
From 1985 to 2010 (25 years) there seems to be a stabilization of sorts. I don't know if this means anything or not, or if the more recent land loss is in other areas.
From 1985 to 2010 (25 years) there seems to be a stabilization of sorts. I don't know if this means anything or not, or if the more recent land loss is in other areas.
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