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School me on AR for SHTF and hunting
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:10 am
I'm looking to get into an AR. Wanting it to do for home defense and SHTF type stuff,but also would like to use it for deer,hogs,beavers,and other various critters. What would be a decent setup for me to look into. Not planning on blowing 500rds. through it every weekend or nothing. Just occasional shooting for shits and giggles and hunting some.
Would I be better off to get a regular 5.56 complete AR and another upper for hunting? Or do I need to just go ahead and buy a larger caliber AR setup? Also what would be some good calibers to look into that I may be able to swap out uppers to use on a regular AR15 lower?
I'm not very knowledgeable on AR and tactical stuff so sorry if I end up asking a dumb question. Just always been more into shotguns and hunting guns. Just decided now I'd like to get into a decent AR. TIA for the help fellas
Would I be better off to get a regular 5.56 complete AR and another upper for hunting? Or do I need to just go ahead and buy a larger caliber AR setup? Also what would be some good calibers to look into that I may be able to swap out uppers to use on a regular AR15 lower?
I'm not very knowledgeable on AR and tactical stuff so sorry if I end up asking a dumb question. Just always been more into shotguns and hunting guns. Just decided now I'd like to get into a decent AR. TIA for the help fellas
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Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:19 am to lv2bowhntAU
for plinking i would say the 5.56 is perfect but for hunting hogs and such, if you can afford two uppers look into the 300 blackout. It will swap with your 5.56 lower. Its a 30 cal bullet that destroys hogs within 100 yards.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:19 am to lv2bowhntAU
300 blackout
I would buy a complete AR chambered for 5.56 and then add a 300 blackout upper. It's way cheaper to shoot 5.56 than 300 blk out
I would buy a complete AR chambered for 5.56 and then add a 300 blackout upper. It's way cheaper to shoot 5.56 than 300 blk out
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:36 am to civiltiger07
Don't worry about blackout. 75gr 5.56 or the all copper 69gr loading in 5.56 will smoke hogs and with more range than the 300.
If you truly need a heavier round to reach out try 6.5 or just a 308 AR. The BO shines in short ranges suppressed and really will disappoint you at farther ranges.
Eta: it's 64gr Winchester razorback. I chronied it at 2850 out of a 16" barrel. Killed 2 hogs last years with ease.
If you truly need a heavier round to reach out try 6.5 or just a 308 AR. The BO shines in short ranges suppressed and really will disappoint you at farther ranges.
Eta: it's 64gr Winchester razorback. I chronied it at 2850 out of a 16" barrel. Killed 2 hogs last years with ease.
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:38 am to lv2bowhntAU
5.56. You can shoot m855 for general plinking and switch to nosler home defense for hunting and home defense. That nosler home defense is really potent.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:58 am to H.M. Murdock
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If you truly need a heavier round to reach out try 6.5 or just a 308 AR.
A lot of wisdom here - I'm in the minority, but I think the BO is a solution in search of a problem.
6.8 SPC may get looked at as a replacement round by NATO - that would change things quite a bit - we're not nearly there, yet. Vanilla would be 5.56 - billions and billions of rounds manufactured and sold.
Separate big bore AR would be .308 - again, standardized military round, millions of magazines - billions of rounds available in the market.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
Will a 6.5 or 6.8spc upper go onto a regular AR15 lower?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:05 am to lv2bowhntAU
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Will a 6.5 or 6.8spc upper go onto a regular AR15 lower?
I'm not really an expert on these alternative cartridges - the 6.8SPC and 300BLK definitely do - not sure on the 6.5 Grendel, but probably. The case is shorter than the 5.56mm and that is usually the determining factor for whether the upper can fit on a standard AR lower.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:08 am to Ace Midnight
Thanks bud. I'm gonna look into more about maybe just doing a complete 5.56 then buying a 6.8spc upper to go along with it. Seems to sound like the kinda set up that would do what I need done
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:12 am to lv2bowhntAU
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Thanks bud. I'm gonna look into more about maybe just doing a complete 5.56 then buying a 6.8spc upper to go along with it. Seems to sound like the kinda set up that would do what I need done
That's probably what I'm going to do - depending on the cost of a Colt 6.8SPC upper. 6.8 was designed to function out of a M4 length barrel and is a compromise between the NATO 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds in accuracy, controllability and terminal performance.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:49 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm in the minority, but I think the BO is a solution in search of a problem.
Unless you plan on shooting subsonic ammo with a suppressor.
The 6.5 grendel makes a nice, easy recoiling long range deer rifle. You can get a 140 grain bullet out to 2400 fps. 120 or 130 grain bullets will flatten out your trajectory a bit more.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:25 am to Shexter
For SHTF, I would just get a shotgun. AR15 for plinking or hog hunting. 5.56 for shorter ranges and 7.62 for longer.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:31 am to Shexter
I would go 6.5 grendel over 6.8 for hunting. The ballistics are better for the 6.5 especially after 300 yards.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 11:42 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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For SHTF, I would just get a shotgun
Telling a duck hunter to get a shotgun is like telling a whore she needs another man. I got shotguns covered
I'm trying to cover both rifles with one I guess you could say. Not really wanting to buy 2 seperate rifles. If I was going to do that I'd just buy another Tikka,then get a 5.56 AR15
Posted on 8/28/14 at 12:56 pm to lv2bowhntAU
Just get a Beowulf and be done with it.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 2:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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6.8 SPC may get looked at as a replacement round by NATO
No chance of that happening.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 4:29 pm to Clames
Yup, the US, and by extension NATO,will stick with 5.56/7.62x51 until there is a new caseless/future ammo available. The US military has too much invested in the M16/4 type rifle to change when the newer rifle types developed are equal or only marginally better. No new weapon platform until a new type of ammunition.
Tula/wolf is making cheaper 6.5, so thats a good option for plinking.
Tula/wolf is making cheaper 6.5, so thats a good option for plinking.
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