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So About This Iraqi Army We Spent Billions Training...
Posted on 8/23/14 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 7:55 pm
Pretty much has just quit and gave up. How pathetic is that 
I have two buddies who worked directly with the Iraqis in training years ago.
Both said they were some of the dumbest, self serving folks they ever run across. Guess, they ended up being right.
There is pretty much no hope they manage to quell ISIS anytime soon. Do they even have an Army anymore or did they all pack up and go home?
I have two buddies who worked directly with the Iraqis in training years ago.
Both said they were some of the dumbest, self serving folks they ever run across. Guess, they ended up being right.
There is pretty much no hope they manage to quell ISIS anytime soon. Do they even have an Army anymore or did they all pack up and go home?
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:01 pm to Cajun Revolution
They are busy.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:02 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:04 pm to Cajun Revolution
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There is pretty much no hope they manage to quell ISIS anytime soon.
Well, the Kurds are holding their own - I guess that's a place to start.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Can we just declare Iraq is now East Israel and let them take over?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 8:21 pm to TigerMyth36
Rex disapproves
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 9:23 pm to Cajun Revolution
That's why I'm OK with waiting a while before we deal with ISIS. Not that we don't need to deal with them, because we don't want a new version of pre-9/11 Afghanistan in the Middle East, but because the Iraqi army needs to man up and handle their problems. Let them sweat for a while.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:24 pm to TigerMyth36
All Muslims are pussies don't you get it. They are all narcissistic pricks that think someone owes them something. It would take an allied force from the west less than a year to take over and occupy the entire Muslim world.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:33 pm to BamaScoop
They could do it alot quicker than that if they wanted to. And say you occupy these shitholes, then what? Hope you have a lot of money and patience to deal with the daily suicide bombs and other BS.
Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:35 pm to BamaScoop
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All Muslims are pussies don't you get it. They are all narcissistic pricks that think someone owes them something. It would take an allied force from the west less than a year to take over and occupy the entire Muslim world
Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:35 pm to maine82
ISIL has taken enough land that we could win back and give to the Kurds. It isn't our fault Iraq lost their land. Why wait any longer?
Posted on 8/23/14 at 10:47 pm to maine82
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hat's why I'm OK with waiting a while before we deal with ISIS. Not that we don't need to deal with them, because we don't want a new version of pre-9/11 Afghanistan in the Middle East, but because the Iraqi army needs to man up and handle their problems. Let them sweat for a while.
Meanwhile, Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Kristol, Cheney, Romney all bash Obama for "fiddling while Rome burns". That's a non-starter, compadre.This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:11 pm to SuperSaint
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ISIL has taken enough land that we could win back and give to the Kurds. It isn't our fault Iraq lost their land. Why wait any longer?
Give land to the Kurds? Why? I'm all for bombing ISIS right now to protect the Kurdish region because the Pershmerga is willing to fight and we should reward that, but I don't see the point in giving the Kurds non-Kurdish parts of Iraq. That's only going to cause more problems.
The Iraqi regular army is likely majority Shi'ite. They're not fighting and they're acting like cowards, and the Iraqi central government which is Shi'ite-dominated does not seem to be sufficiently demanding they fight. I don't think we should reward that behavior by bombing ISIS forces in the non-Kurdish parts of Iraq right away. Again, we will have to deal with ISIS, but we should make the Iraqi central government "sing for their supper" first, and that means they have to fight back.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:15 pm to maine82
Help Kurds from the air, let them take the land back from ISIL, let Kurds set them a border and let them create a sovereign state, profit....????
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:20 pm to SuperSaint
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Help Kurds from the air, let them take the land back from ISIL, let Kurds set them a border and let them create a sovereign state, profit....????
Long term, I don't think a Kurdish state is a bad idea, but so long as you have that horrid regime in Iran influencing the Iraqi central government due to the Shi'ite connection, you need the Kurds (and the Sunnis) in Iraq to put a check on the Shi'ites in Iraq.
But even long-term, we don't need to reward the Kurds with extra parts of Iraq, just let them have autonomy over the traditional Kurdish parts of Iraq and maybe one day a state can be carved out of Iraq using those areas.
This post was edited on 8/23/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:22 pm to SuperSaint
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ISIL has taken enough land that we could win back and give to the Kurds. It isn't our fault Iraq lost their land. Why wait any longer?
But the key is that we need to occupy and take over their countries. Leaving them there will never work because they as we'll as their religion is fundamentally flawed. The Islamic religion is no longer compatible with civilization because it is barbaric. It's Old Testament bullshite which requires that they be dealt with in Old Testament, "eye for an eye" fashion. We have to just kill the trashy frickers and move on.
We can put the ones left on reservations, give them casinos and whiskey and forget about them, that is a working model and we have done it before.
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