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Defense Sec: Isis threat "beyond anything we have seen"

Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:03 am
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:03 am
Ok.. So a republican on the arms/intel says they are moving to blow up cities, and a Dem now says they are "beyond anything we have seen".


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quote:

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is beyond "just a terrorist group" and poses a greater threat than al Qaeda, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Thursday.

"This is beyond anything that we've seen,"
"ISIL is as sophisticated and well-funded as any group that we have seen,"

"They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess. They are tremendously well-funded."

"This is an organization that has an apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision and which will eventually have to be defeated," said Dempsey, who spoke alongside Hagel.

Dempsey said for ISIS to be defeated, it would have to be addressed in Syria, possibly in part by airstrikes.






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Hagel's remarks come months after President Obama dismissed ISIS, calling the group "JV".




Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:04 am to
Actually I believe Hagel is or was a RINO when in the Senate.
Posted by Beauregard96
Hopped up on goof balls
Member since Nov 2006
2138 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:05 am to
Dear Leader is about to draw red lines all around that JV team.
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:05 am to
Barry needs to ask himself the question, "Why do they hate us?"
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:07 am to
I'm tired of hearing the Obama JV quote, we get it, the idiot missed the mark on this one as well. Some people love beating a dead horse.


I agree with ISIL having to be eliminated and it having to be in Syria
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57833 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:07 am to
quote:

"They marry ideology" "This is an organization that has an apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision and which will eventually have to be defeated,"



I wonder where this ideology and apocalyptic vision comes from?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:09 am to
quote:

I wonder where this ideology and apocalyptic vision comes from?



Saudi Arabia
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56356 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:12 am to
quote:

I'm tired of hearing the Obama JV quote, we get it, the idiot missed the mark on this one as well. Some people love beating a dead horse.



It's pretty relevant given this very current quote from the secretary of defense calling Isis "beyond anything we've seen".

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90484 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:20 am to
I can't wait to see the outrage from the left over the Administration beating the war drums and fear mongering to gain support.









Oh wait the President is a democrat so it's ok to do that now
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:20 am to
He misses so much... even when playing golf!

Just maybe... FRIGGIN MAYBE, if he would spend MORE time doing his... JOB, he wouldn't miss so much!


Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57833 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:22 am to
quote:

Saudi Arabia



And what religion dominates Saudi?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:22 am to
ISIS is a big issue we need to deal with now but they can't "blow" up an American city.
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:25 am to
quote:

ISIS is a big issue we need to deal with now but they can't "blow" up an American city.



Glad you have the intel to make us feel comfortable.
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:26 am to
Obligatory post when a Dem administration starts rattling the sabers:
quote:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Ex-President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:28 am to
quote:

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." Senator John Edwards (D-NC), October 10, 2002

"While the distance between the United States and Iraq is great, Saddam Hussein's ability to use his chemical and biological weapons against us is not constrained by geography - it can be accomplished in a number of different ways - which is what makes this threat so real and persuasive." Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), October 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"The essential facts are known. We know of the weapons in Saddam's possession: chemical, biological, and nuclear in time. We know of his unequaled willingness to use them. We know his history. His invasions of his neighbors. His dreams of achieving hegemonic control over the Arab world. His record of anti-American rage. His willingness to terrorize, to slaughter, to suppress his own people and others. We need not stretch to imagine nightmare scenarios in which Saddam makes common cause with the terrorists who want to kill us Americans and destroy our way of life." Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), September 13, 2002

"Make no mistake: Saddam Hussein is a ruthless tyrant, and he must give up his weapons of mass destruction. We support the President in the course he has followed so far: working with Congress, working with the United Nations, insisting on strong and unfettered inspections. We must convince the world that Saddam Hussein is not America's problem alone; he is the world's problem. And we urge President Bush to stay this course for we are far stronger when we stand with other nations than when we stand alone." Governor Gary Locke (D-WA), January 28, 2003 Democratic Response to President Bush's "State of the Union" address




And then they shite on the troops when they get what they ask for. We've seen this movie before.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105376 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:29 am to
quote:

I'm tired of hearing the Obama JV quote,



Maybe so, but that was a major miss by the Pres. It may get old, but still fair to attribute such a huge gaff to the man when anyone feels the need to.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:30 am to
So the peace prize president is going to war....again.

Lololololol
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:32 am to
quote:

son of arlo



Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Glad you have the intel to make us feel comfortable.


Yea they are going to weaponize a nuke

come on man
Posted by darkhorse
Member since Aug 2012
7701 posts
Posted on 8/23/14 at 11:58 am to
Ah come on man.. Laden wasn't an issue either.


Nobody mentioned a nuke. Why are you?
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