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Reactions To Rand Paul's Op-ed
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:23 am
The Washington Post: It’s time to stop calling Rand Paul a tea partier
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Politico: Rand Paul’s race moment
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MSNBC: Why the liberal love for Rand Paul is wrong
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He mad.
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is the most interesting man (or woman) in the Republican Party today. He is known as a staunch conservative on fiscal issues, but he's working with Democrats on criminal sentencing reform. He woos religious conservatives in Iowa, but he also flirts with a more libertarian stance on social issues. And as unrest continues in Ferguson, Paul said something no other Republicans are saying: That the "militarization" of police is harmful to African Americans.
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Politico: Rand Paul’s race moment
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Sen. Rand Paul is staking out new ground: He’s the Republican who can talk race and police brutality.
In an op-ed for Time magazine Thursday on the events in Ferguson, Missouri, Paul (R-Ky.) took on race, militarized police and why “it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.”
The potential 2016 presidential contender is fond of telling the GOP that it needs to appeal beyond its mostly white base if it wants to be competitive in national races — pushing for sentencing reforms and speaking to traditionally black audiences. But his efforts to make inroads with new GOP constituencies haven’t always gone smoothly.
The tension in the St. Louis suburbs, however, could mark a turning point for Paul.
The senator’s lengthy, provocative and personal op-ed went further than any other Republican in acknowledging pervasive racial divisions in the U.S.
“Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention,” he wrote.
Republicans have a long way to go toward building support among African-Americans and other minorities. But politicians from both parties often struggle to talk about race — and Paul is winning applause from unlikely places for his willingness to confront the issue.
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MSNBC: Why the liberal love for Rand Paul is wrong
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[u]Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is no doubt delighting in the liberal love he is receiving for his TIME magazine op-ed on race, policing, and the crisis in Ferguson, Missouri. But I am not one of those easily impressed. Why not? Because he is wrong.
Paul is correct to critique the militarization of local police in America. But that’s not a new phenomenon when it comes to black communities in America – it’s been the norm since the 1960s. And the demilitarization argument does nothing to challenge nor change the fact that “nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012”, according to FBI statistics. Two times a week. That’s everyday local policing, and has nothing to do with the militarization of local police forces, nor big government. The choke-hold that killed Eric Garner or the multiple gunshots that killed Michael Smith were not military-grade weapons. They were weapons used as the result of what Senator Paul believes in most strongly, when it comes to civil rights: “a lot of things can be handled locally”.
And this is where he gets it most wrong. Sen. Paul’s most mistaken premise is that “big government” is “at the heart of the problem”, presumably when it comes to the loss of black life at the hands of the police.
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He mad.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:58 am to trackfan
At the end of the day, regardless of issues on social stances ( see blacks voting overwhelmingly on prop 8 in California) blacks and Latinos will vote for handouts, that's just the way it is.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:00 am to trackfan
Paul is right on the militarization deal. But mixing it in with this is not the best timing.
This Ferguson thing wasn't about militarization. It was simply whether or not this cop made a 'good shoot'. It looks like he did.
It's apples and oranges so I'm not sure why he picked this spot to bring it up.
This Ferguson thing wasn't about militarization. It was simply whether or not this cop made a 'good shoot'. It looks like he did.
It's apples and oranges so I'm not sure why he picked this spot to bring it up.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:03 am to Strannix
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blacks and Latinos will vote for handouts,
I'd bet you are one of the laziest people on earth.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:04 am to Strannix
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At the end of the day, regardless of issues on social stances ( see blacks voting overwhelmingly on prop 8 in California) blacks and Latinos will vote for handouts, that's just the way it is.
You left out Asians and Jews, who also vote overwhelmingly Democrat. I guess non-Hispanic White Christians are the only folks who actually want to work for living.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:13 am to trackfan
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You left out Asians and Jews, who also vote overwhelmingly Democrat. I guess non-Hispanic White Christians are the only folks who actually want to work for living.
Want to work or actually work because its the only way to get to where they want to go?? The Vietnamese (Asian) assimilated in less than 2 generations while other groups have not done so in over 400 years. It was pretty bad over there before they came here.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:17 am to trackfan
Leave it to BSNBC to get it wrong.
RP hasn't been in politics since the 1960s. This is the first instance since he's been on the national scene where he had the opportunity to comment on the issue of police brutality and have it be noticed.
Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
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it’s been the norm since the 1960s
RP hasn't been in politics since the 1960s. This is the first instance since he's been on the national scene where he had the opportunity to comment on the issue of police brutality and have it be noticed.
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That’s everyday local policing, and has nothing to do with the militarization of local police forces, nor big government.
Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:18 am to trackfan
So why do blacks and Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for Dems when they hold strong conservative/ religious social beliefs? What I'm saying is social issues will not help the right with minorities, the numbers don't show it, at the end if the day hand outs and free stuff trump their social beliefs at the ballot box.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:22 am to trackfan
I like Paul's message , and he's right about the militarization of local police but misguided on the AA comments and government...Should change to poor people, b/c there are a ton of poor white folks that are harassed by the police on any given day...
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:25 am to Strannix
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So why do blacks and Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for Dems when they hold strong conservative/ religious social beliefs?
I reject the premise of your question. Obviously you have it all figured out, and you aren't shy about expressing your contempt for Blacks and Hispanics, but what I'm asking you is why Asians and Jews vote Democrat since according you the only folks who vote Democrat are lazy people who want free stuff?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:27 am to LawLessTyGer
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I like Paul's message , and he's right about the militarization of local police but misguided on the AA comments and government...Should change to poor people, b/c there are a ton of poor white folks that are harassed by the police on any given day...
agree, but he's got to try to gain ground with black americans ...
and frick msnbc ...
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:29 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Way to completely miss RP's point. The issue with militarization of everyday policing isn't that the cops have bigger, badder guns. It's the fact that militarization creates a culture where the citizens are the enemy. Militaries exist for the purpose of killing people and breaking things. That's not what law enforcement is intended to do.
Exactly. The point went right over their head.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:29 am to trackfan
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what I'm asking you is why Asians and Jews vote Democrat since according you the only folks who vote Democrat are lazy people who want free stuff?
I reject the premise of your question. He didn't say only lazy people who want free stuff vote democrat. He said lazy people who want free stuff only vote democrat.
However, he's wrong there as well.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:31 am to trackfan
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Sen. Rand Paul is staking out new ground: He’s the Republican who can talk race and police brutality.
He's a Republican who has publicly stated his opposition to some pretty important parts of the Civil Rights Act. The problem with young ones like Rand Paul is they don't really realize there is still a critical mass of black folks who lived through the era where in many places they simply were not allowed in hotels and restaurants - and in almost every case the exclusion of blacks by private business exceeded the requirements of law.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:35 am to trackfan
In voting trend analysis all Asians are lumped together, Vietnamese, Japanese, Bangladeshii, etc. so it's a shitty statistic. Vietnamese voted 50/50 in the 2012 election. The premise aren't related. You are just avoiding a valid point.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:36 am to SpidermanTUba
I wonder if the minority man who was a victim of strong arm robbery by thug Michael Brown wished he could have excluded him.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:39 am to SpidermanTUba
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He's a Republican who has publicly stated his opposition to some pretty important parts of the Civil Rights Act.
God forbid he holds Constitutionally based principles. What we need are more politicians whose policies are based polling numbers ... because it's been working so well.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:48 am to Strannix
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hand outs and free stuff trump their social beliefs at the ballot box.
The black poverty rate is only 25%:
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Let's make the following assumptions:
- Poor black voters have the same participation rate as middle and upper class black voters.
- 100% of poor black voters vote Democrat.
How do you explain the 65% of the black electorate who isn't poor and still votes D? It obviously isn't handouts because they don't benefit. It could be the perception that Republicans hate them.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:49 am to trackfan
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Paul’s most mistaken premise is that “big government” is “at the heart of the problem”, presumably when it comes to the loss of black life at the hands of the police
LULZ
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:54 am to Bestbank Tiger
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It could be the perception that Republicans hate them.
Exactly! Not only do middle-class Blacks and middle-class Hispanics vote overwhelmingly Democrat, but so do middle-class Asians and middle-class Jews.
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