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There needs to be a review process for penalties/ red cards
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:00 am
I'm a purest, but these calls CHANGE GAMES. There were two horrible calls in the Premier League today, but luckily both of the affected teams won.
Hull City was called for a handball against QPR that was downright awful. The ball didn't even hit the hand, and the hand was down and close to the body, so it shouldn't have been a handball if it did. Ball didn't lie, and the penalty was saved.
The red card against Kyle Naughton. The handball penalty was rough enough, but it was very clear that it was not intentional, and the ball was even headed over the crossbar. No need to ruin a game like that.
Hull City was called for a handball against QPR that was downright awful. The ball didn't even hit the hand, and the hand was down and close to the body, so it shouldn't have been a handball if it did. Ball didn't lie, and the penalty was saved.
The red card against Kyle Naughton. The handball penalty was rough enough, but it was very clear that it was not intentional, and the ball was even headed over the crossbar. No need to ruin a game like that.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:40 am to SwaggerCopter
You're exactly right. And I'm surprised that rule changes like these aren't brought up more often.
In a sport where you routinely see deception/cheating by a player towards his opponent, in order to have that player thrown out of the game, you just have to implement some sort of replay system to get the calls right. Going down a man in soccer, given the restrictions on substitutions and just simply how the flow of games operate, 11 v 10 is basically game over. The subjective nature of how these rules are carried out by the referees leaves so much room for error, and then ridicule of a ref who doesn't have the luxury of seeing the play in slow motion and from more than one angle in real time. It's not fair to the officials that a more logical system isn't in place to help them get calls right. Players are bigger, faster, stronger, and better at deceiving referees than they've ever been. And it's only getting worse.
These leagues and tournaments have gotten so big and generate so much revenue, there's no excuse for the governing bodies not to exercise whatever means necessary to get these calls right. The results of a wrongly given red, yellow, or penalty, change games, seasons, and maybe even who ends up winning the league. And because of the way soccer leagues determine a champion through a points tally for wins, losses, and draws. there's less room for error than, say, an American League, where a team may still have a shot at a title through the playoff system, even if a bad call or 2 results in a loss that may drop the team in the regular season standings.
In a sport where you routinely see deception/cheating by a player towards his opponent, in order to have that player thrown out of the game, you just have to implement some sort of replay system to get the calls right. Going down a man in soccer, given the restrictions on substitutions and just simply how the flow of games operate, 11 v 10 is basically game over. The subjective nature of how these rules are carried out by the referees leaves so much room for error, and then ridicule of a ref who doesn't have the luxury of seeing the play in slow motion and from more than one angle in real time. It's not fair to the officials that a more logical system isn't in place to help them get calls right. Players are bigger, faster, stronger, and better at deceiving referees than they've ever been. And it's only getting worse.
These leagues and tournaments have gotten so big and generate so much revenue, there's no excuse for the governing bodies not to exercise whatever means necessary to get these calls right. The results of a wrongly given red, yellow, or penalty, change games, seasons, and maybe even who ends up winning the league. And because of the way soccer leagues determine a champion through a points tally for wins, losses, and draws. there's less room for error than, say, an American League, where a team may still have a shot at a title through the playoff system, even if a bad call or 2 results in a loss that may drop the team in the regular season standings.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 3:55 am to mynamebowl
Yes. It's not like I'm trying to eliminate the offside rule here. I just want calls to be correct. If it wastes 2 minutes a game to make sure games aren't ruined by horrible calls, I'm all for it.
I like red cards. I think soccer is extremely dangerous, and players need a reason to not make crazy tackles. But a bad red card is like putting am innocent man on death row. Just beyond horrible.
I think it's coming. The Hull City manager basically called for it after today's game.
Once people start shouting for it, it will happen.
And I have always agreed with my dad on flopping. Suspend players post-game regardless of whether or not they were caught during the match.
I like red cards. I think soccer is extremely dangerous, and players need a reason to not make crazy tackles. But a bad red card is like putting am innocent man on death row. Just beyond horrible.
I think it's coming. The Hull City manager basically called for it after today's game.
Once people start shouting for it, it will happen.
And I have always agreed with my dad on flopping. Suspend players post-game regardless of whether or not they were caught during the match.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:08 am to SwaggerCopter
The Naughton call was obviously a pen. But the subsequent red was absolutely ridiculous. One if the worst decisions I've seen in a long time.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:40 am to BleedPurpleGold
I'm not really in favor of reversing red cards mid game...
I'd be OK with issuing fines with diving post game... But, I'm not talking about going down easy, it would have to be a clear cut dive... That may be too difficult to enforce..
I'd be OK with issuing fines with diving post game... But, I'm not talking about going down easy, it would have to be a clear cut dive... That may be too difficult to enforce..
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 7:16 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:15 am to BleedPurpleGold
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The Naughton call was obviously a pen. But the subsequent red was absolutely ridiculous. One if the worst decisions I've seen in a long time.
The ruling was he was the last man denying a clear scoring chance. By the law of the game he should be sent off.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 7:15 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:16 am to SwaggerCopter
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I'm a purest,
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The handball penalty was rough enough, but it was very clear that it was not intentional, and the ball was even headed over the crossbar
then you need to brush up on the rules
Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:26 am to SwaggerCopter
How long does it take to set up for a PK? 1-2 minutes? I think they should have a replay official either in the stadium or in a location where he can see all the games, like the NHL does. Once the ref blows the whistle for the penalty, the replay official has until the kick is taken to relay to the ref , preferably by their headsets, that he made the wrong call. He can then just take away any card, issue a card to someone that dove, and give the free kick to the defending team.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:06 am to pvilleguru
I heard them discussing this with a referee on talkSport about this. The concern they had was the time it would take would only build the nerves of the penalty taker. I don't necessarily agree with it. The QPR/Hull call was terrible. The Spurs call was correct.
ETA:Naughton may not have intentionally hit the ball, but his arms shouldn't be there and he knows better.
ETA:Naughton may not have intentionally hit the ball, but his arms shouldn't be there and he knows better.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:45 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The ruling was he was the last man denying a clear scoring chance. By the law of the game he should be sent off.
The fact that tthe ball was sailing over the crossbar is what denied the scoring chance. If ball is on frame, it doesn't even hit Naughton's hands.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:48 am to SwaggerCopter
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The fact that tthe ball was sailing over the crossbar is what denied the scoring chance. If ball is on frame, it doesn't even hit Naughton's hands.
You still don't get it
Posted on 8/17/14 at 5:44 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Can you please expand on your reasoning? I've heard multiple analysts and even Pochettino make the same claim that I have made.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The ruling was he was the last man denying a clear scoring chance. By the law of the game he should be sent off.
You can cite whatever rule you want. It was still an awful call.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:40 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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BleedPurpleGold
Easy man. You probably just "don't get it."
Posted on 8/17/14 at 10:14 pm to SwaggerCopter
Won't argue with you. Hell, I don't like that a red card puts a team a man down.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 1:39 am to SwaggerCopter
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Can you please expand on your reasoning? I've heard multiple analysts and even Pochettino make the same claim that I have made.
Ive heard multiple pundits on Sky and BT say it was the right call. By the law of the game he was the last man who denied a scoring opportunity. He should have known better that throwing up his hands being the last defender. Was the red harsh yes, but by the law of the game its a red card. Of course your own manager is going to say its a bad call. It was harsh but it was the correct call.
Not trying to be a dick but did you play soccer and if you did was it past the age of 12?
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:00 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 3:22 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Not trying to be a dick but did you play soccer and if you did was it past the age of 12?
You've asked this dick question before, and I ignored it because I didn't want to give up too much about myself, but yes. I played club past that age, and then I quit because I played Varsity at a very competitive high school. To give you an idea, they went to the state championship a year after I graduated. But maybe my poor knowledge of the game held us back.
And since Mauricio Pochettino agrees with me, I guess he didn't play soccer past the age of 12...
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 3:25 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 5:34 am to SwaggerCopter
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You've asked this dick question before, and I ignored it because I didn't want to give up too much about myself, but yes. I played club past that age, and then I quit because I played Varsity at a very competitive high school. To give you an idea, they went to the state championship a year after I graduated. But maybe my poor knowledge of the game held us back.
Well some of the shite you post looks like you have had to much FIFA
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And since Mauricio Pochettino agrees with me, I guess he didn't play soccer past the age of 12...
Of course he would, its his team
The call was harsh but correct. I have no issue with reviewing them but even in that case the call would stand.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:06 am to StraightCashHomey21
I barely play FIFA, and multiple people disagree with you, but whatever. You just keep saying you are right, and I'm stupid.
I and many others can clearly see that the handball was not deliberate, although FIFA and the FA have always had a different meaning of "deliberate." I think the big point is that it was no longer a goalscoring opportunity once the shot was taken (it was headed over the bar).
During the weird Ox handball last year, which WAS intentional, they rescinded the red card because the ball was off target. LINK
The penalty was correct; the red card was not. I will bump this thread when the FA rescinds the card, and you will say they were wrong too, but that's fine.
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denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
I and many others can clearly see that the handball was not deliberate, although FIFA and the FA have always had a different meaning of "deliberate." I think the big point is that it was no longer a goalscoring opportunity once the shot was taken (it was headed over the bar).
During the weird Ox handball last year, which WAS intentional, they rescinded the red card because the ball was off target. LINK
The penalty was correct; the red card was not. I will bump this thread when the FA rescinds the card, and you will say they were wrong too, but that's fine.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:23 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:14 am to SwaggerCopter
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The penalty was correct; the red card was not. I will bump this thread when the FA rescinds the card, and you will say they were wrong too, but that's fine.
They can not ban him and thats fine but the call on the field like the OX call was right. If you throw your hands in the air and block a shot in front of the goal while being the last defender you are playing with fire to be sent off. I even said it was harsh but the ref was following the laws of the game to a T. He could have used better judgment but its a red if you follow the rules of the game.
You keep saying it was going over the goal but look at where and when he blocked it, while the ball was low and in front of the goal Its not like it was already soaring over and he knocked it down 5 feet off the ground. He was playing with fire.
it looked like he was blocking a punt
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 7:16 am
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