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Iranian President Rouhani Tells Hardliners: "Go To Hell"
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:39 am
He's starting to feel his oats now. He must have the full backing of Khamenei in order to say something like this.
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Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has offered his harshest criticism yet of hard-liners opposed to making a deal over its contested nuclear program with world powers, saying they should go "to hell."
Rouhani made the comments Monday while addressing an annual meeting of Iranian ambassadors, calling the hard-line critics "political cowards."
Rouhani said: "Anytime there is going to be negotiations, a handful say we are shaking. Well, to hell. Go and find a warm place for yourself. What should we do?"
Hard-liners have opposed the interim deal struck last year, saying Tehran offered too many concessions in return for too little. However, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all state matters, has backed the nuclear negotiating team.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:41 am to trackfan
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He must have the full backing of Khamenei in order to say something like this.
More likely: it's all a charade.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:06 pm to TK421
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More likely: it's all a charade.
Remember it is acceptable in Islam to lie to an infidel (i.e., anyone who is not a Muslim).
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:19 pm to Quidam65
So we should accept at face value Ahmadinejad's antagonistic rhetoric and dismiss Rouhani's conciliatory rhetoric? 
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:24 pm to trackfan
I don't think anyone other than you is saying we should accept the rhetoric of any Iranian president and face value.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:34 pm to TK421
This Hatfields and McCoys mindset is the reason why our foreign policy is so dysfunctional. Nations don't have permanent friends or permanent enemies, only interests.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:38 pm to trackfan
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Nations don't have permanent friends or permanent enemies
Maybe not, but that doesn't make this thread any more relevant or meaningful.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:59 pm to TK421
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Maybe not, but that doesn't make this thread any more relevant or meaningful.
Only the closeminded think this way, since knowing about other nation's domestic politics is always a good thing when you're negotiatiing with them.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:02 pm to trackfan
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Only the closeminded think this way
Yeah, you're real open minded. Was the former president an authority or a puppet?
Is the current president an authority or a puppet?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:49 pm to trackfan
If Israel wants to go to war with Iran, they will. But negotiations might help prevent war.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:57 pm to TK421
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Was the former president an authority or a puppet?
Is the current president an authority or a puppet?
Every informed person knows that Ayatollah Khanenei is the Commander-in-Chief. Is that news to you? It goes something like this:
U.S. President ~ Iranian Supreme Leader
U.S. Secretary of State ~ Iranian President
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:22 pm to trackfan
quote:Tell this to the Palestinians. They believe Israel is their enemy until such time as Israel ceases to exist. They believe it is in their interest to have Israel as a permanent enemy. How do you persuade them that it is not in their interest to have Israel as a permanent enemy?
Nations don't have permanent friends or permanent enemies, only interests.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:28 pm to trackfan
Read this:
"Rouhani criticized in Iran media for saying 'to hell' with critics"
"At a meeting of Iran’s ambassadors yesterday, Aug. 11,
Read more: LINK
LINK
And then read this:
Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:53
"Supreme Leader Categorically Dismisses Political Talks with US"
" "Relations with the US and negotiations with that country, except for very specific cases, don’t have any benefits for the Islamic Republic and it is even harmful; which wise person would go after a futile job," Ayatollah Khamenei said on Wednesday, addressing Iran's diplomatic corps abroad. (note:same group, but two days LATER!)
"Some people pretended that if we sit to the negotiating table with the Americans, many problems will be settled; of course, we knew that it is not correct but the events during the recent years has now proved this reality several times," he added.
Ayatollah Khamenei referred to the nuclear talks held between Iran and the world powers, including the US, in the current year, and said the meetings and contacts with the Americans in this period not only proved futile, but also emboldened the US officials to raise extensive demands from Tehran.
"Generally speaking, it was revealed that despite the imaginations of certain people, negotiations won’t help anything," he underlined.
The Leader expressed anger that during the negotiations with Iran, the Americans intensified their sanctions against Iran, saying that the talks for relieving the pressures and embargoes against Tehran yielded no results."
LINK
Nothing has changed ...
"Rouhani criticized in Iran media for saying 'to hell' with critics"
"At a meeting of Iran’s ambassadors yesterday, Aug. 11,
Read more: LINK
LINK
And then read this:
Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:53
"Supreme Leader Categorically Dismisses Political Talks with US"
" "Relations with the US and negotiations with that country, except for very specific cases, don’t have any benefits for the Islamic Republic and it is even harmful; which wise person would go after a futile job," Ayatollah Khamenei said on Wednesday, addressing Iran's diplomatic corps abroad. (note:same group, but two days LATER!)
"Some people pretended that if we sit to the negotiating table with the Americans, many problems will be settled; of course, we knew that it is not correct but the events during the recent years has now proved this reality several times," he added.
Ayatollah Khamenei referred to the nuclear talks held between Iran and the world powers, including the US, in the current year, and said the meetings and contacts with the Americans in this period not only proved futile, but also emboldened the US officials to raise extensive demands from Tehran.
"Generally speaking, it was revealed that despite the imaginations of certain people, negotiations won’t help anything," he underlined.
The Leader expressed anger that during the negotiations with Iran, the Americans intensified their sanctions against Iran, saying that the talks for relieving the pressures and embargoes against Tehran yielded no results."
LINK
Nothing has changed ...
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:38 pm to Poodlebrain
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Tell this to the Palestinians. They believe Israel is their enemy until such time as Israel ceases to exist. They believe it is in their interest to have Israel as a permanent enemy. How do you persuade them that it is not in their interest to have Israel as a permanent enemy?
I don't know why you want to hijack a thread about Iran and turn it into thread about Israel-Palestine, but you sound like Netanyahu's spokesman. The problem with Israel is clear to see for anyone with an open mind and a command of the facts, and the only one's who don't get it are Jewish settlers, Likudniks and apartheid apologists becasue they don't want to get it. This explains why Israel is always on the short end of lopsided votes at the U.N. and the only thing shielding it from harsh sanctions is the U.S. veto. But rather than derail this thread any further, why don't you take this to one of the other many recent threads on Israel-Palestine, and there I will be happy to engage you.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:47 pm to trackfan
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U.S. President ~ Iranian Supreme Leader
U.S. Secretary of State ~ Iranian President
So, you think the Iranian president has as much say in the formulation of their foreign policy as the U.S. Secretary of State?
Furthermore, do you think an Iranian has been elected president that was not selected by the Ayatollah?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:51 pm to TK421
Ack, wrong Islamo thread.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:59 pm to TK421
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So, you think the Iranian president has as much say in the formulation of their foreign policy as the U.S. Secretary of State?
Yes. Neither one of them can defy their boss on foreign policy.
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Furthermore, do you think an Iranian has been elected president that was not selected by the Ayatollah?
It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact that Presidential candidates in Iran have to be approved by the Supreme leader and Secretary of States in the U.S. are appointed by the President.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:50 pm to trackfan
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Yes. Neither one of them can defy their boss on foreign policy.
That wasn't the question, and you know it.
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it's a matter of fact that Presidential candidates in Iran have to be approved by the Supreme leader
So what makes you think the opinion of either Iranian president matters?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:56 pm to TK421
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Yes. Neither one of them can defy their boss on foreign policy.
That wasn't the question, and you know it.
I answered your question. It's your problem if you don't like the answer.
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it's a matter of fact that Presidential candidates in Iran have to be approved by the Supreme leader
So what makes you think the opinion of either Iranian president matters?
Since the Iranian President must have the Ayatollah's blessing to become President, the answer is self-evident, and I alluded to this in the OP.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:10 pm to trackfan
I certainly don't want to speak for TK or put words in his mouth, but it just seems like he is pointing out that Rouhani was rebuffed publicly by Khameini, in front of the same group, just two days later, with Khamenei reasserting that he himself is a "hardliner". I think to any objective observer, Rhouhani had his wrist slapped by his superior for overstepping his pay grade.
Again, nothing has changed in Iran ...
Again, nothing has changed in Iran ...
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