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Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:24 am
Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11610 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:24 am
My inlaws are talking about doing this. Do any of you know the ins and outs of one? I think it is a scam.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:31 am to
Definitely not a scam. Definitely high closing costs. Definitely should be used as a means of last resort. That's my $0.02
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:42 am to
Scam is the wrong word, but it is taking advantage of the vulnerable.

Say a home is worth $100,000. The reverse mortgage companies will offer you about 85% of value, or $85,000. They will charge outrageous closing costs. Sometimes 10%. So you are getting around $76,000 for your $100,000 home over 15 years. So about $425 a month. In 15 years, that $100k home might be worth $125k or more, but you still sold it for $76,000 and they will happily sell it back to you for $125k.

Last resort option.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27813 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:51 am to
Doesn't the banks payment to you last until death? I thought that was why it made sense. Often screws the kids from inheritance but it protects the parents from running out of money.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:56 am to
There is that option, but it significantly lowers the monthly payment.

My parents had a friend that did it when his wife died. Took the highest option, which was a 7 year payout because he felt like he would die within 7 years.

He outlived it and lost everything.

Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:02 am to
Take the cash and purchase a private annuity. Almost always higher payouts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
36937 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Say a home is worth $100,000. The reverse mortgage companies will offer you about 85% of value, or $85,000. They will charge outrageous closing costs. Sometimes 10%. So you are getting around $76,000 for your $100,000 home over 15 years. So about $425 a month. In 15 years, that $100k home might be worth $125k or more, but you still sold it for $76,000 and they will happily sell it back to you for $125k.


I don't understand that last sentence. You are not selling the house. It's basically a fancified FHA-backed HELOC. You can use the proceeds for anything. Payments can be suspended until an event occurs (death, move out, sale) but if you do that, interest causes the balance to grow.

If when the house is sold the net proceeds are less than the amount of the loan, no additional amounts are due. However, if there are proceeds remaining after the loan payout, those are the property of the estate.

I put reverse mortgages in the same category as annuities. They are a tool in the toolbox, and make sense to use in some instances. But there are plenty of people out there who do not understand how they work, the fees are high, and they tend to be pused on unsophisticated old people by unethical salesmen. Not always, but most of the time, this is true.

Just be careful.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5842 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 12:56 pm to
it's not a scam and its a HUD backed program that has been around for decades. basically it allows people over 62 to access the equity in thier house without having to make payments. the house is yours until you die. let me stress that they cannont take your house from you. you can alos sell the house and payback the loan with interest. I personally dont do those types of mortgages but i have worked with companies in the past that do. i will give you an example. good friend of mine's dad reveresed his house last year after his wife had died. he was living on social security and a small retirement he had from being self employed for 30yrs. he recieved 40k in cash and doesnt make a house payment for the rest of his life. he son didnt want the house he has his own and dad's house was only about 10yrs old. the key is to shop the closing cost because they are sky high.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:15 pm to
In response the downvote regarding the private annuity, if you're getting a monthly payment from the Reverse, you have an immediate annuity. Immediate annuities are commodities. Get the highest payout.
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