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WaPo op-ed calls out latest Obama lie: not his decision to pull out of Iraq.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:34 pm
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Come on, man! The phrase you used in many speeches was "I promised to end the war in Iraq and I ended it. There are no US military personnel fighting in Iraq."
Come on, man! The phrase you used in many speeches was "I promised to end the war in Iraq and I ended it. There are no US military personnel fighting in Iraq."
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 8:37 pm
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:40 pm to Champagne
Nothing surprises me anymore
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:41 pm to Champagne
It's not as simple as that, but ultimately he could have shoved them down the Iraqi's throats. Some Presidents would have. They gave him the cover he needed to do what he wanted to do, however.
Hasn't worked out too well for most of the power players--especially those in power in Iraq at the time.
Some of our servicemembers who would have died between now and then--or just lost some legs and a few feet of intestines--are probably better off. The mission and our foreign policy from 2001-on have absolutely gone to hell, though.
Hasn't worked out too well for most of the power players--especially those in power in Iraq at the time.
Some of our servicemembers who would have died between now and then--or just lost some legs and a few feet of intestines--are probably better off. The mission and our foreign policy from 2001-on have absolutely gone to hell, though.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:43 pm to Champagne
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:09 pm to Champagne
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WaPo op-ed calls out latest Obama lie: not his decision to pull out of Iraq.
That wasn't the Iraqi's decision?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:11 pm to SpidermanTUba
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That wasn't the Iraqi's decision?
You don't understand how these things work.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:13 pm to Paluka
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You don't understand how these things work.
Wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation at the time we withdrew? Did they ask for us to leave more troops, and how much were they going to pay us for them?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:14 pm to Navytiger74
Obama took full credit for ending the war in Iraq and bringing all military personnel home.
He bragged about this in many speeches, many times over the last few years.
For him to declare today in a speech that it was not his decision to do it is arguably insane. I submit that only an insane person could reason that his pronouncements on this topic started today and that nothing he said previously is in any way operative or true.
It's insane for him to say that it was not his decision to pull out of Iraq.
Obama is the Commander in Chief. Isn't that what the Stoneheads tell us when it suits them?
The Commander in Chief gave the order.
Maybe Obama suffers from a split personality mental disorder
He bragged about this in many speeches, many times over the last few years.
For him to declare today in a speech that it was not his decision to do it is arguably insane. I submit that only an insane person could reason that his pronouncements on this topic started today and that nothing he said previously is in any way operative or true.
It's insane for him to say that it was not his decision to pull out of Iraq.
Obama is the Commander in Chief. Isn't that what the Stoneheads tell us when it suits them?
The Commander in Chief gave the order.
Maybe Obama suffers from a split personality mental disorder
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Yeah, so why did Obama say time and time again the "he" of course he used the word "I" got us out of Iraq time and time again. You my man need God.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation at the time we withdrew? Did they ask for us to leave more troops, and how much were they going to pay us for them?
That statement is inoperative, because Obama HIMSELF took personal credit for ending the war in Iraq by pulling out. He did this many times.
So, was he lying then or is he lying now?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:17 pm to SpidermanTUba
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That wasn't the Iraqi's decision?
Again, yes. But it's not that simple. Parliaments don't dislodge foreign occupying armies. Obama did what he said he would do. He did what the people wanted. But he did it under the cover of the Iraqi government's intransigence. And it hasn't worked out. In the least. Going into Iraq in March of 2003 was a mistake. But we broke it. We bear some responsibility.
And again, I was one of those who unapologetically said "frick 'em" in 2011. There's no way to plausibly justify it as anything but a waste of "blood and treasure" if we leave it worse than it was under Saddam. Unfortunately, that's probably what it's going to come to. We can't slap a veneer of America over those people and their way of life. It seemed to work in Germany and Japan, and I guess we've been trying to duplicate it from SE Asia to the Middle East to South America since.
Hasn't really taken so well.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:18 pm to Champagne
WaPo commenters are calling Rubin a liar because it was Bush's SOFA.
I bet those dumbasses also praise Obama for "bringing our troops home."
The blind loyalty to Obama is disturbing.
I bet those dumbasses also praise Obama for "bringing our troops home."
The blind loyalty to Obama is disturbing.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:19 pm to SpidermanTUba
So it was Iraq that gave Obama his policy of withdrawing the troops? Hmmmm okay thanks for clearing that up.
So then am I to take that as Obama is still lying when he said it was Bush's decision? I mean since it was Iraq's policy and all.
So then am I to take that as Obama is still lying when he said it was Bush's decision? I mean since it was Iraq's policy and all.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:22 pm to SpidermanTUba
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That wasn't the Iraqi's decision?
If it was the Iraqi's decision, then why did Obama claim it as his at almost every campaign event?
Hell, here is his own damn video taking credit for it
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:25 pm to Jimbeaux28
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If it was the Iraqi's decision,
Was it?
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:26 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Did they ask for us to leave more troops, and how much were they going to pay us for them?
How much did the Military Equipment that is now in the control of ISIS cost?
How much is it going to cost to take it out? Decisions have consequences.
Making political decisions is not the way to end a war vs Islamic Terrorists.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:30 pm to Paluka
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You don't understand how these things work.
He doesn't understand how most things work. Reference his thread on returning blinds. That should be all you need to know.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:30 pm to roygu
watching the spin is fascinating.
He literally says "green" then later says he said "six".
It's amazing to then watch his cult of personality sycophants rationalize his lies.
He literally says "green" then later says he said "six".
It's amazing to then watch his cult of personality sycophants rationalize his lies.
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:33 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Was it?
The decision to end the war in Iraq by pulling out all US troops was Obama's decision, Stonehead.
Obama said so in many speeches.
So, was he lying in his campaign speeches or is he lying now?
OR are we supposed to be good little Stoneheads and forget what Obama said in the past?
Posted on 8/12/14 at 9:37 pm to LSUgusto
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WaPo commenters are calling Rubin a liar because it was Bush's SOFA.
So, the Stonehead Democrats want us to believe that it is BUSH'S fault and BUSH pulled US troops from Iraq?
I get it, if Iraq turns out well, Obama takes the credit, but, if we lose Iraq, it's Bush's fault.
Heads, Obama wins. Tails, Bush loses.
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