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Red States Pressured To Expand Medicaid As Care Contrasts Emerge

Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69249 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:35 pm
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Pressure is building on states to go along with the expansion of Medicaid benefits under the Affordable Care Act as new studies and financial reports from health care companies point out stark differences between states treating more poor Americans and those that aren’t.

One of the nation’s largest hospital operators, Tenet Healthcare THC -0.25% (THC), last week opened a window into the differences for patients and hospital financial coffers between those states with Medicaid dollars and those without.

“In our five states that expanded Medicaid in 2014, we benefited from a significant migration of patients from uninsured into Medicaid with a 54% decline in uninsured admissions and a 27% decline in uninsured outpatient visits,” Tenet chief executive Trevor Fetter said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call last week.

Tenet saw across-the-board increases in “admissions, outpatient visits, surgeries and emergency department visits,” Fetter said.

The federal government traditionally picks up a little more than half of the cost of Medicaid. But funding under the health law is unlike past efforts to expand Medicaid in that the federal government will pick up the full tab this year as well as 2015 and 2016. The state gradually has to pick up some costs in 2017, but by 2020, the federal government is still picking up 90 percent or more of the Medicaid tab

A report last week from The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation-funded Urban Institute said states that haven’t expanded will “miss out” on more than $420 billion in federal dollars between now and 2022. In addition, the states that don’t expand are losing out on increased employment in the health care industry from newly insured patients who have help paying for services.

“States are literally leaving billions of dollars on the table that would support their hospitals and stimulate the rest of their economies,” the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Kathy Hempstead said in a report accompanying the Urban Institute report.


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Is medicaid really the best we can offer poor people? My big gripe with this, especially with regards to Kentucky, is that it encourages people to stay in areas that are economically dying. The lack of healthcare in the hollers is a symptom of economic uselessness. Subsidizing unproductive areas with massive amounts of medicaid spending is not good policy, and does not encourage holler people to move where their labor is needed.
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Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98462 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:44 pm to
frick no. They better not. They'd be fricking their states in the long run.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:50 pm to
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frick no. They better not. They'd be fricking their states in the long run.


Better to let the poor people die in the streets, right? They're just leeches anyway.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:52 pm to
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Better to let the poor people die in the streets, anyway


You been seeing alot of that lately???
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

“In our five states that expanded Medicaid in 2014, we benefited from a significant migration of patients from uninsured into Medicaid with a 54% decline in uninsured admissions and a 27% decline in uninsured outpatient visits,” Tenet chief executive Trevor Fetter said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call last week.

Tenet saw across-the-board increases in “admissions, outpatient visits, surgeries and emergency department visits,” Fetter said.
So a hospital company benefitted from Obamacare. What a shocking development. I really thought hospital would be closing from a lack of business.

I did notice that Mr. Fetter said that emergency department visits increased. It seems that Medicaid beneficiaries still resort to the emergency room for their primary care despite Obamacare sponsors claims they would be reduced.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259899 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:53 pm to
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frick no. They better not. They'd be fricking their states in the long run.


Better to let the poor people die in the streets, right? They're just leeches anyway.



The only person to suggest this.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69249 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:56 pm to
No offense Layabout, but your assertion that people "die in the streets" without government bureaucrats is just startling, and you are basically admitting this:

I do not trust my fellow men, so I think authoritarian force must be used to help poor people.

Layabout, do you think it is unfair that I think you have a low self-esteem? Because someone who thinks he/she would "die in the streets" without government bureaucrats is someone who, to me, lacks self-confidence.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:56 pm to
quote:

Better to let the poor people die in the streets, right? They're just leeches anyway.

You're right, I mean it

We should take the Medicaid expansion and then do it twentyfold
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69249 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 4:59 pm to
Roger, when someone pulls the "dying in the streets" card, it really says a lot about the person.

To me, it reveals this:

1)The person has an absolutely miserable view towards fellow men, basically admitting that charity and good will do not exist unless the government forces it on a populace.

2) Incredibly low self-esteem

3) The person is extremely ignorant about history, economics, scarcity.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:04 pm to
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To me, it reveals this:

Dishonest douche mouth-shitting false dichotomies.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73416 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:06 pm to
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Better to let the poor people die in the streets, right? They're just leeches anyway.
Spidey level retarded comment.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259899 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:11 pm to
quote:

Roger, when someone pulls the "dying in the streets" card, it really says a lot about the person.

To me, it reveals this:

1)The person has an absolutely miserable view towards fellow men, basically admitting that charity and good will do not exist unless the government forces it on a populace.



This is where I stand. These people are socially ignorant, and truly believing that if the govt. doesn't take care of the poor, they have no desire to help themselves.
Posted by IM4LSU2
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2005
1855 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:17 pm to
I believe Vitter is considering accepting it if elected as our Governor. Just one of many reasons I will not vote for him.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:19 pm to
quote:

frick no. They better not. They'd be fricking their states in the long run.


Surprisingly Texas has some of the best Medicaid benefits in the country, while Cali has some of the least and will only pay the bare minimum. Served as a pharma rep in both states, and expansion of Medicaid makes my job a hell of a lot easier.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259899 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:24 pm to
Ak. has tremendous social benefits for poor citizens, though some has been pared away over the past few years.


quote:


The state also doesn’t levy personal income tax or sales tax. Still, it manages to spend the third largest amount per pupil each year, provide the sixth largest amount in medicaid per beneficiary, and give the largest amount in monthly TANF assistance in the country.


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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69249 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:30 pm to
We had a primary care doctor shortage before medicaid expansion, wait till these millions and millions of people on medicaid try to find doctors. 50% of doctors don't accept medicaid, anyway. Add that to the primary care shortage even for people with private insurance, and you have a huge problem.


What good is medicaid for preventive care if doctors are not to be found?
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9604 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 5:53 pm to
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The state gradually has to pick up some costs in 2017, but by 2020, the federal government is still picking up 90 percent or more of the Medicaid tab


There is no guarantee that the Feds will uphold their end of the bargain. And remember, they're the ones who make the rules.


I just love it when DC uses our tax money to badger and bribe us in to doing something they want.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69249 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:02 pm to
If the fed gov changes the percentage they'll pay, it won't be pretty in some states.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259899 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:12 pm to
Theres a clinic downtown that services the homeless. They are getting a grant to service low income housing developments. There's money out there. The non profit health care business is probably one of the largest local industries.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32203 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 6:52 pm to
This is a slippery slope. Mississippi gets more in federal funds than it sends in. So, other states are actually paying for the care of our Medicaid patients now and even more if we were to expand. They say 100% for 3 years, then 90% for a few more. If all 57 states (Obama joke on purpose), expanded Medicaid, it would be unsustainable and year 2, 3 or 4, they would say Ooops!. We can't pay for this so you (the state has to pay for it). State says we can't pay for this but everyone knows you can never take away an entitlement once instituted.
I can see where hospitals would be in favor and our hospital association fought our governor tooth and nail prior to the decision to pass. But, making hospitals happy is not a good enough reason to expand something as huge as this.
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