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How, exactly, did Democrats usurp Republicans over Civil Rights?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:04 am
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:04 am
Long history of Republicans supporting civil rights.
Growing up, my dad was a democrat. In fact, back then, you basically had to sign an agreement to vote as a democrat in order to work as a fireman or policeman. As he witnessed racism over and over, at work and in church, he turned Republican, and he turned his back on friendships that he had for years. People called him a n****r lover (stupid we can't write it out in this forum when used in context) just for turning Republican.
I was not raised in a racist home. I was raised in a Christian home life. Was a choir boy. Got into fights because some kids from backwards, racist homes decided I was an easy target. That's fine. I could always hold my own and walk away head high. I dated a few black girls from time to time and being a Republican didn't have the racist stigma it seems to have now. Its now viewed as an albatross around its neck.
Nixon was a fervent civil rights advocate. Eisenhower was, too. The Democrats were the one's passing Jim Crow laws. The Democrats were the one's standing in the doorways of schools.
So how in the hell did the Democrats usurp this position away from Republicans? My guess is passage of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society legislation, which Democrats adopted as a way of legally buying the votes of the black community. Any other thoughts on this? It's just bizzaro that I get labeled as racist by some simply for remaining a conservative Republican with Libertarian leanings.
Growing up, my dad was a democrat. In fact, back then, you basically had to sign an agreement to vote as a democrat in order to work as a fireman or policeman. As he witnessed racism over and over, at work and in church, he turned Republican, and he turned his back on friendships that he had for years. People called him a n****r lover (stupid we can't write it out in this forum when used in context) just for turning Republican.
I was not raised in a racist home. I was raised in a Christian home life. Was a choir boy. Got into fights because some kids from backwards, racist homes decided I was an easy target. That's fine. I could always hold my own and walk away head high. I dated a few black girls from time to time and being a Republican didn't have the racist stigma it seems to have now. Its now viewed as an albatross around its neck.
Nixon was a fervent civil rights advocate. Eisenhower was, too. The Democrats were the one's passing Jim Crow laws. The Democrats were the one's standing in the doorways of schools.
So how in the hell did the Democrats usurp this position away from Republicans? My guess is passage of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society legislation, which Democrats adopted as a way of legally buying the votes of the black community. Any other thoughts on this? It's just bizzaro that I get labeled as racist by some simply for remaining a conservative Republican with Libertarian leanings.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 12:05 am
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:10 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society
"I'll have those ****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:11 am to HubbaBubba
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My guess is passage of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society legislation, which Democrats adopted as a way of legally buying the votes of the black community. Any other thoughts on this?
I think when LBJ signed the VRA, the Democrats (Dixie-crats) that disagreed went over to the Republican party. That was the beginning of the South not voting for the Democrats. As time went on likes attracted and transformed the then Republican party to what it is today.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:13 am to HubbaBubba
Once the Communist Party USA captured the Democratic party in the late 60's and early 70's they went into divide and conquer mode.
They knew they would never hold onto the conservative south when their true radical ideas came ti light so went all in on the divide and conquer strategy. Alinsky showed them how to pit people against people.
They knew they would never hold onto the conservative south when their true radical ideas came ti light so went all in on the divide and conquer strategy. Alinsky showed them how to pit people against people.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:30 am to HubbaBubba
You're mistake is in assuming that civil rights was a partisan issue that split along party lines. It wasn't, all post-WWII Presidents supported civil rights, Republican and Democrat alike, and the majority in both parties voted for the 1964 CRA and the 1965 VRA. Civil rights was a regional issue that split along the Mason-Dixon line, and in 1964, 93% of the Democrats in Congress and 100% of the Republicans below the Mason-Dixon line voted against the Civil Rights Act. However, before the Civil Rights Movement, the Democrats had a bigger stranglehold on the region below the Mason-Dixon line than the Republicans do today, so while it's true that most Democrats supported civil rights, it's also true that most of the people who opposed civil rights were Democrats.
As for Black folks, the big shift from the Republican party to the Democrats party was driven by Barry Goldwater's opposition to the 1964 CRA when he was running for President and the adoption of the Southern Strategy by the Republican Party that began in 1968 and lasted through 1992.
As for Black folks, the big shift from the Republican party to the Democrats party was driven by Barry Goldwater's opposition to the 1964 CRA when he was running for President and the adoption of the Southern Strategy by the Republican Party that began in 1968 and lasted through 1992.
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:34 am to wfeliciana
The notion that there was a great party shift after the CRA is a myth. Republicans starting making significant inroads in the south a decade before the CRA and VRA. For example, here is the election of 1952:
Eisenhower won Tennessee, Virginia, Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas.
Here is 1956:
Republicans won Louisiana almost a decade before the CRA!!
The reason for the shift to republicans in the south was the growing business and suburban culture of the area. The republican party has always been the party of businessmen, and this attracted southerners who had parents who were farmers, but themselves were now in the business computer.
But even in the 1980 election, Carter did well in the south vs reagan. Here is a county map of that election:
Reagan won a bunch of southern states by only 1 or 2 points.
And don't forget clinton's successes.
There was no great shift ue to the CRA. It started before then, and democrats were still successful in the region afterwards.
Eisenhower won Tennessee, Virginia, Florida, Oklahoma, and Texas.
Here is 1956:
Republicans won Louisiana almost a decade before the CRA!!
The reason for the shift to republicans in the south was the growing business and suburban culture of the area. The republican party has always been the party of businessmen, and this attracted southerners who had parents who were farmers, but themselves were now in the business computer.
But even in the 1980 election, Carter did well in the south vs reagan. Here is a county map of that election:
Reagan won a bunch of southern states by only 1 or 2 points.
And don't forget clinton's successes.
There was no great shift ue to the CRA. It started before then, and democrats were still successful in the region afterwards.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:42 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
The notion that there was a great party shift after the CRA is a myth. Republicans starting making significant inroads in the south a decade before the CRA and VRA. For example, here is the election of 1952:
I don't see how you can say that when your own source shows that South was solidly Democrat before civil rights and solidly Republican afterwards.
1952
1964
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:46 am to trackfan
Well obviously the south was going vote republican in 1964, as the candidate was opposed to the CRA, but it wasn't permanent:
here is the 1976 election:
here is the 1976 election:
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:26 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
1976--Carter, a son of the south, same for clinton when he ran the first time. Don't underestimate that. The CRA was the shift, with the anomalies of 2 southerners skewing 2 elections. After Clinton, really most of the southern states became almost exclusively Republican.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 7:23 am to wfeliciana
A number of factors came into play for the partisan shift. Rising incomes in the South, greater urbanization, and migration of Northerners who didn't think "Republican" was a dirty word all played a role. There's historically been a correlation between all three factors and GOP success in Southern states.
One of the biggest factors in the civil rights shift is something you wouldn't normally consider: the 1958 recession. The civil rights divide was regional, not partisan, and the 1958 recession caused a lot of Northern Republicans to be replaced by Northern Democrats, thus allowing the D's to take credit for the civil rights advances of the 1960s.
One of the biggest factors in the civil rights shift is something you wouldn't normally consider: the 1958 recession. The civil rights divide was regional, not partisan, and the 1958 recession caused a lot of Northern Republicans to be replaced by Northern Democrats, thus allowing the D's to take credit for the civil rights advances of the 1960s.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 7:40 am to SoulGlo
quote:
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I'll have those ****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
This is the obvious answer. And every DEM since LBJ has doubled down on the concept.
The DEMs now have their new-age plantation. But instead of harvesting cotton with slave labor, they are harvesting votes made possible with taxpayer dollars.
DEMs are the true racists of the modern world. GOP is the natural supporter of true civil rights. DEMs are all for keeping minorities as vulnerable and subservient - keep them happy with a few crumbs, and they don't even have to buy the crumbs with their own money - they appropriate their filthy lucre from the public trough.
The only way they can sustain that is to deny good education from their subjects and to foment constant agitation of 'conservatives wanting to put you back in chains.'
DEM leadership is knowingly malicious. DEM supporters are primarily one-issue voters or are just as greedy and malicious as their leadership.
This whole civil rights situation is totally upside down with respect to rationale and common sense. It can only make sense in a perverse political context.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:55 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
How, exactly, did Democrats usurp Republicans over Civil Rights?
THe South went Republican.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:08 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:quote:This is the obvious answer. And every DEM since LBJ has doubled down on the concept.
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"I'll have those ****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
This is what bigots try to convince themselves of so that they can sleep better at night.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:38 am to trackfan
You are the bigot. When someone goes through life looking at things through color they are doing the exact opposite of what Dr Kings dream was, which was a color blind society.
You are for RACIAL PREFERENCES I am sure, which is racism againgst people, WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OR NOT.
You are for RACIAL PREFERENCES I am sure, which is racism againgst people, WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OR NOT.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:44 am to trackfan
quote:
This is what bigots try to convince themselves of so that they can sleep better at night.
As the only bigot in this discussion, I hope you are at least able to sleep at night.
I, on the other hand, wish for all minorities to be able to fend for themselves, to become educated, to find productive work, to enjoy a family experience that leaves a lasting legacy for their children, that actually pay their way and are able to help out the less fortunate, that take pride in something besides the accidental color of their skin, who don't act as 'bought and paid for' servants of a political agenda that cares nothing about them except for their vote.
That is what I stand for. but in your eyes that makes ME the bigot.
sleep well - if you can.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:04 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
My guess is passage of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society legislation, which Democrats adopted as a way of legally buying the votes of the black community.
That and the myth of the racist Southern Strategy. When something is repeated over and over it starts to become "truth".
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:53 am to trackfan
quote:Looks pretty clear cut to me.
I don't see how you can say that when your own source shows that South was solidly Democrat before civil rights and solidly Republican afterwards.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:03 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
I think when LBJ signed the VRA, the Democrats (Dixie-crats) that disagreed went over to the Republican party. That was the beginning of the South not voting for the Democrats. As time went on likes attracted and transformed the then Republican party to what it is today.
None of that is accurate
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:05 pm to HubbaBubba
Just go to a tea party rally or look back at some of the McCain/Palin stump speech stops and its pretty clear why Democrats CURRENTLY own race issues.
**edit Thats not to say that all TP or conservatives are racist.......but overt racists do seem to flock to those groups.
**edit Thats not to say that all TP or conservatives are racist.......but overt racists do seem to flock to those groups.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:06 pm to trackfan
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As for Black folks, the big shift from the Republican party to the Democrats party was driven by Barry Goldwater's opposition to the 1964 CRA when he was running for President and the adoption of the Southern Strategy by the Republican Party that began in 1968 and lasted through 1992.
This is what we call "half-history." Some of it is technically correct but all of it lacks context.
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