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Executive Order on Way to Nix Corporate Inversions & Retroactive?

Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:06 am
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:06 am
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With Congressional action appearing unlikely, a number of lawmakers have urged the White House to use its executive authority to curb corporate inversions. The issue has been gaining traction over the past few weeks, and while the Administration has expressed a preference for Congress to address the issue, an Administration spokesman has indicated that nothing has been ruled out at this point. This article examines current events surrounding corporate inversions and a potential path that the Administration could take if it decides to act on its own.

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Calls for action. Last month, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew sent an identical letter to Rep. Levin, Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI), Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), in which he described corporate inversions as “hollow[ing] out the U.S. corporate income tax base.”


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Shortly thereafter, in a July 24 Treasury blog post, Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy Mark Mazur wrote about the “quite common” practice of making tax provisions retroactive, referring to the above letter. He provided examples of provisions where “backdated implementation” was “important to ensure that companies do not take advantage of the lengthy legislative process to rush through transactions exploiting the loopholes they know they are about to lose.”.


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On August 5, during a press briefing, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest was questioned about whether the President would use executive action to stop corporate inversions. Although he declined to say with any certainty whether the President would take any unilateral action, he said that “it is our view that Congress should take the necessary step to address this loophole.” (See LINK ) Reports indicate that the Treasury is actively exploring options that the Administration could take. Rep. Levin, in response, has said that “the discussion of possible administrative actions should not be an excuse for Congress to drag its feet.”


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Possible avenue. According to a former Treasury official, one way that the Administration could unilaterally curb corporate inversions pending Congressional action would be to exercise its authority under Code Sec. 385, which authorizes IRS to prescribe regs to determine whether an interest in a corporation is debt or equity. Harvard professor Stephen Shay claims that, under that section, the Administration could limit the ability of inverted companies to take interest deductions in the U.S. or access their foreign cash without first paying U.S. taxes (i.e., the U.S. tax due upon “repatriating” foreign-earned income). According to Shay, by reclassifying debt as equity, a formerly deductible interest payment would be reclassified as a dividend for which no deduction may be claimed—resulting in a greater portion of income being taxable at U.S. corporate rates.


TL;DR - Do nothing Congress wants to drag feet so it doesn't have to take any responsibility. Wants Obama to do their job for them instead. Action coming either way and probably retroactive.
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 8:08 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80056 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:07 am to
Can the President unilaterally change the tax code?


Maybe I'm wrong here, but doesn't this loophole they are using fall inside of the tax code?


AU83, I know you are in the industry, is that correct?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:13 am to
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Maybe I'm wrong here, but doesn't this loophole they are using fall inside of the tax code?


No, it is part of the tax code. Section 7874 added in 2004.

The president cannot write new tax laws. Congress has to do that. However the treasury can prescribe regulations to interpret current laws (the internal revenue code). The article is suggesting as a stop gap for the president to ask treasury to change the regulations relating to another code section (debt vs equity and thin capitalization) to make interest expenses nondeductible for the coporations that invert.

It is a convoluted round about that would affect a lot of companies, not just those that invert and not a good solution. Unless the Reg was written to only include companies that invert which I suppose would be possible. Still a convoluted roundabout.
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 8:14 am
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:17 am to
More government to solve the problems that government created.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9601 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:23 am to
Remember. Punish your enemies!

And forget about the poor Mom and Pop slobs whose 401Ks have stock in those companies.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98249 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:26 am to
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Can the President unilaterally change the tax code?


No.

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
47770 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:26 am to
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Retroactive


You should know how this works. You keep bringing this up. Come on, man.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:28 am to
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ecutive Order on Way to Nix Corporate Inversions & Retroactive

which is sure to beget even more unintended consequences, which is sure to beget yet more stupid band-aid policy, which is sure to beget yet more unintended consequences...
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:28 am to
dpftl
This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 8:35 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118490 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:30 am to
This won't stand up in court.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:30 am to
Not sure what you are referring to. Retroactive to May is the current thought-plan.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:32 am to
Any determinations by the IRS under this type of change in regulation would have to apply to all corporations to avoid being deemed arbitrary and capricious. So the changes would have to effect the "good" corporations as well as the "bad" corporations.

Does the tax code provide authority for the Treasury Secretary to designate which corporations the rules will apply to? I seriously doubt that Congress contemplated the Treasury Secretary could arbitrarily decide that some rules only apply to corporations headquartered in Kentucky. And that is no different than setting rules that apply differently to corporations headquartered in the United States versus overseas.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:34 am to
Agree. Which is why the work around with the debt-equity regs is a bad stopgap. Congress needs to get off it's arse and do their job for a change. It's gonna happen eventually.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71948 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:34 am to
This is damn stupid.

The problem isn't the companies leaving. That is a byproduct.

Heaven forbid we actually decrease our tax rate. That is just insane.

Let's just punish companies that want to leave.

I can't believe people are actually supporting this.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:37 am to
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Congress needs to get off it's arse and do their job for a change.

It's their job to try to stop companies who want to leave from leaving? Perhaps my views are simpleton-esque but I disagree.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71948 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:40 am to
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It's their job to try to stop companies who want to leave from leaving? Perhaps my views are simpleton-esque but I disagree.
Yea, that's a new one.

Didn't know Congress's job was to force companies to stay in the USA.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
71948 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:41 am to
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It's their job to try to stop companies who want to leave from leaving? Perhaps my views are simpleton-esque but I disagree.
Yea, that's a new one.

Didn't know Congress's job was to force companies to stay in the USA.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:43 am to
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It's their job to try to stop companies who want to leave from leaving? Perhaps my views are simpleton-esque but I disagree.


No, I am just saying that the GOP will get on board with this law change. They are behind the scenes I am sure. They just do not want the perception of supporting it, so they want to drag their feet and have the president do it which involves the convoluted work around which as poodle pointed out and I noted in the previous post would affect a lot of companies if they frick with the debt vs equity and related interest deduction rules. Something I am very familiar with and work with regularly.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:45 am to
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No, I am just saying that the GOP will get on board with this law change. They are behind the scenes I am sure. They just do not want the perception of supporting it

No disagreement there. My response was to the suggestion of what Congress' (or by extension government's in general) job should be.

Seems to me like it ought to be something like "hey maybe we should reconsider our stupid policies that make them WANT to leave".
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41018 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:48 am to
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I can't believe people are actually supporting this.



I often wonder what the average IQ and education level of the average American voter and congress member is?
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