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re: Would you trade Brees for Luck?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:52 am to tibebecolston
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:52 am to tibebecolston
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:27 am to Breesus
How come you don't even have a single decent counter point? Not even 1. All the counter points have been "but but but....it's Breesus". It's almost as if your not playing dumb on purpose.
It has been 4 superbowls since an elite qb won. If Yu really think Breesus to Luck makes that much of a difference in Paytons offense that it makes Yalls offense worse than the nfl division champions last year, then you have some heavy blinders on.
It has been 4 superbowls since an elite qb won. If Yu really think Breesus to Luck makes that much of a difference in Paytons offense that it makes Yalls offense worse than the nfl division champions last year, then you have some heavy blinders on.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:38 am to Indfanfromcol
Your statement that trading Brees for Luck wouldn't hurt our super bowl chances is just wrong. It's plain wrong. You can't trade a superior player for an inferior one and not have your chances effected. There's no mental gymnastics that you can pull off that'll make your statement right, but congratulations for wasting your time.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:43 am to Indfanfromcol
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How come you don't even have a single decent counter point?
I have seen plenty of counter points made, you are obsessed with the idea the Luck is better than Brees. There are tons of statistics proving the point that Brees is better than Luck. You are throwing out hypothetical scenarios that have no bearing in reality and expecting to get something realistic out of it.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:44 am to bountyhunter
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, you are obsessed
upvote
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:47 am to KevinGates
no
I'd go further and say that while the rule changes have greatly benefited quarterbacks, we've also taken for granted how special brees, brady and manning were over this era because we just expect quarterbacks in the next to be just as good
Andrew luck may be great, but I think it is unrealistic to expect him to play like the big 4 (Rodgers is young so I didn't include him above) on any kind of consistent basis.
we're going to look back on this era with even more appreciation for the great qbs than we have now.
I'd go further and say that while the rule changes have greatly benefited quarterbacks, we've also taken for granted how special brees, brady and manning were over this era because we just expect quarterbacks in the next to be just as good
Andrew luck may be great, but I think it is unrealistic to expect him to play like the big 4 (Rodgers is young so I didn't include him above) on any kind of consistent basis.
we're going to look back on this era with even more appreciation for the great qbs than we have now.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:05 am to Indfanfromcol
quote:OK, here's my counterpoint- there are lots of QBs who are physically better than Brees right now, just as there are lots of teams with better offensive skill players. Hell, the Falcons physically are better, with Ryan, Jones and White.
How come you don't even have a single decent counter point? Not even 1. All the counter points have been "but but but....it's Breesus". It's almost as if your not playing dumb on purpose.
It has been 4 superbowls since an elite qb won. If Yu really think Breesus to Luck makes that much of a difference in Paytons offense that it makes Yalls offense worse than the nfl division champions last year, then you have some heavy blinders on.
Brees has elite intangibles. He's one of the few QBs in the league who has the "it" factor, who doesn't seem to rattle, but only gets more determined. It's damn hard to find someone like that, and we don't know if Luck has that yet.
Reading your name, it looks like you're an Indy fan.
If Peyton were 3 years younger and did not have that neck injury, would you still have been in favor of letting him go and getting Luck to replace him?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:06 am to bountyhunter
When in this entire thread have I said Luck is better than Brees? I have said under Payton, Luck could be almost as good.
And actually, no there hasn't been a counter point besides it's Brees.
I have shown with stats that a high powered offense isn't the key to winning a super bowl. Both teams that earned a first round bye, which statistically gives you better odds of winning a superbowl because you play 1 less game and have at least 1 home game, were much worse on offense than the Saints are, a n d even worse than the Colts and their talentless team were. And like I have repeated, how Yalls defense will play will affect yours odds, now the minimal production loss you would see from Brees to Luck.
I am not sure why everyone is stuck on Brees is the best. Never even argued that point. The point I have proven time and time again is that it wouldn't make a difference. Your defense going from 4th to say 2nd would be the difference from playing on the road to a first round bye, which makes your superbowl odds Vetter.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:07 am to Scoob
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Reading your name, it looks like you're an Indy fan.
He's a Falcons fan.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:14 am to Indfanfromcol
Indfanfromcol's MO is as follows:
lol emoticon
a couple of paragraphs of double speak
sits back and gets destroyed for the rest of the page
lol emoticon
a couple of paragraphs of double speak
sits back and gets destroyed for the rest of the page
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:23 am to Indfanfromcol
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When in this entire thread have I said Luck is better than Brees? I have said under Payton, Luck could be almost as good
payton has a history of making quarterbacks look good
he made a slew of shitty qbs look serviceable in dallas and resurrected Kerry collins' career in NY
with that said, how you would think Andrew luck would automatically be just as good is crazy...almost as good as what?
2 40+ TD seasons, 4 5,000 yard seasons (no one else even has 2)...you think Andrew luck could be almost as good as that just by payton calling the plays...that would be an enormous jump in production for him, and while maybe he could, that's a lot to assume
almost as good as drew brees is incredible...
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:24 am to Patrick O Rly
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sits back and gets destroyed for the rest of the page
Where did that happen?
I destroyed every argument you had in this thread, just like the thread where you had that dumb idea that the Julio trade was the reason our depth is so terrible, but we have had 3 years to recover from losing a 1st, 2nd, a 4th, and another 4th, while between the trade and bountygate, yall lost 3 2nd round picks. So ultimately, your argument was that the difference between our depth and your depth is a 4th round pick.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:31 am to Indfanfromcol
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Where did that happen?
Every page you ever posted in.
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I destroyed every argument you had in this thread,
:I
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just like the thread where you had that dumb idea that the Julio trade was the reason our depth is so terrible
You really want to go there? Huh? I said the trade hurt your depth. You said the trade didn't hurt your depth. Then you built a strawman saying that the trade was the sole reason for your depth issues. Never said that.
You just can't keep your thoughts and arguments straight, and you flail around until people lose interest.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:32 am to DelU249
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that's a lot to assume
Is it though.
Back when this league wasn't even a passing league, Drew Brees had his first 4000 yard season with his first year under Payton. In fact, he had almost a 1000 yards more than his best season with the chargers.
And even if Luck didn't put up any better numbers under Payton, who again I am comfortable saying is the best offensive mind in the NFL, it would still be better than the last 2 superbowl champions offense. It would still be better than the team that won the division, which gave them a first round bye and home field advantage. This difference in New Orleans odds will be with yalls defense. Its not like I am saying Brees isn't great, and he won't be missed. And it sucks that Patrick O Rly common sense. But everything I have said on this thread has been backed with examples.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:32 am to Indfanfromcol
Do you think swapping Ryan with Luck would make any difference? Drop off? Same? Improve?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:35 am to Patrick O Rly
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You really want to go there? Huh? I said the trade hurt your depth. You said the trade didn't hurt your depth. Then you built a strawman saying that the trade was the sole reason for your depth issues. Never said that.
Actually, from the get go, I said that it was poor player evaluation and unwillingness to spend money in FA to build depth, in which you then pulled some comment out your butt that you believe you can't build depth in FA. You then went on to add that yall find better late round talent and UDFA, which again went with my original argument.
Yes, the Julio Jones trade affected depth, but what hurt was our GM not living up to the same standard as Loomis had. So essentially, in your theory, the only difference in our depth is a 4th round pick.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:35 am to htran90
No difference, because Seattle didn't have an elite QB, so same. That's his argument. He misspoke, and instead of admitting it, he's going to hold onto to a dumb argument for dear life.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:38 am to Indfanfromcol
He did, he also played Marty ball the two previous years. That's about as run heavy as you get...the stone ages for QB play and look at how he played.
Payton and brees are the right. Both had success elsewhere, but neither as much as they've had with each other. It's a 2 way street. Just the perfect match.
Payton and brees are the right. Both had success elsewhere, but neither as much as they've had with each other. It's a 2 way street. Just the perfect match.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:38 am to htran90
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Do you think swapping Ryan with Luck would make any difference? Drop off? Same? Improve?
In our odds of getting to the super bowl? No. We have no defense. We will be lucky to make it to the playoffs. And in a system that is more pass heavy, I think Luck would destroy teams (but that is my personal opinion on Luck).
It didn't hurt the Seahawks chances of winning a super bowl with having a mediocre offense. It didn't hurt the Panthers chances (yes, they lost, but even with the Saints and Panthers teams being very even, they had better chances of going because of getting that first round bye). Defense wins championships.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:40 am to Indfanfromcol
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Actually, from the get go, I said that it was poor player evaluation and unwillingness to spend money in FA to build depth, in which you then pulled some comment out your butt that you believe you can't build depth in FA. You then went on to add that yall find better late round talent and UDFA, which again went with my original argument.
Because when you said all of that, you prefaced it with "The Julio trade didn't hurt our depth." It was all of those things.
Again, you misspoke, and you just won't admit it.
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in which you then pulled some comment out your butt that you believe you can't build depth in FA.
Never. Said. That.
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