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Proposal to merge all anti-poverty programs (welfare, food stamps)
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:24 am
Looks promising to me
Proposed by Paul Ryan
ETA: more info in topic
Proposed by Paul Ryan
quote:
Programs that would be merged include food stamps, cash welfare, housing subsidies, and heating aid for the poor, among others.
The Wisconsin Republican and 2012 vice presidential nominee is a respected voice within his party. His new "Opportunity Grant" plan would impose work requirements on aid recipients and require states that choose to participate to set up at least two service providers, a move he says would encourage partnerships with locally-based nonprofits and community groups that may better know the needs of their communities.
ETA: more info in topic
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 10:40 am
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Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:27 am to High C
Sounds good in theory.
Two things that I don't understand how they haven't happened yet are: restrictions on food stamps to non-junk food AND drug tests for welfare.
Drug tests would pay for themselves, the business case has been presented several times. The fact food stamps can buy endless 2 liters of coca-cola and family sized bags of candy is absurd. Drink fricking water.
Two things that I don't understand how they haven't happened yet are: restrictions on food stamps to non-junk food AND drug tests for welfare.
Drug tests would pay for themselves, the business case has been presented several times. The fact food stamps can buy endless 2 liters of coca-cola and family sized bags of candy is absurd. Drink fricking water.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:27 am to High C
The existing system is broke. He is actively seeking alternative solutions. I like it.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:29 am to BayouWrangler
quote:
The existing system is broke. He is actively seeking alternative solutions. I like it.
If only he wasn't such a religious nut, I'd really like the guy. He wants to merge his religious beliefs with a lot of his proposed legislation. That is terrifying.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:29 am to High C
What a fascist!
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:44 am to High C
Democrats will never go for it.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:45 am to High C
quote:
Paul Ryan
Stopped reading
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:45 am to High C
Sounds like a good plan. Anything is better than what's going on now.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:47 am to TheCaterpillar
Agree with you on all of that.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:50 am to High C
quote:
Paul Ryan
No care
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:52 am to BayouWrangler
quote:
The existing system is broke. He is actively seeking alternative solutions. I like it.
Amen.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:53 am to High C
What about people who intentionally get their kids to fail so they can get into special ed, thereby generating another government check? They seem to be tragically left out of this program.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:56 am to UL-SabanRival
I can get into any reform of this broken system. The first step doesn't have to be all-inclusive.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 10:58 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Drug tests would pay for themselves, the business case has been presented several times. The fact food stamps can buy endless 2 liters of coca-cola and family sized bags of candy is absurd. Drink fricking water.
Skeptical on the drug tests paying for themselves....
But we definitely need to limit what they can buy on the govt dime. Especially with Obamacare.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:00 am to BayouWrangler
quote:
The existing system is broke.
No, it most certainly is not. We promise free shite and deliver, consequences to the country be damned. We keep the teat ready to suckle ... we get the votes. Leave our slaves alone ... we need the votes to stay in control.
Sincerely,
Liberal Democrats
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:02 am to High C
We need staples distributed.
Rice. Beans. Flour. Etc.
There is zero reason we should give money to people who have made poor decisions and all of a sudden expect them to make responsible choices with money that they didn't have to earn.
If you actually want to help these people, take the decisions away from them and lead them in the right direction.
Rice. Beans. Flour. Etc.
There is zero reason we should give money to people who have made poor decisions and all of a sudden expect them to make responsible choices with money that they didn't have to earn.
If you actually want to help these people, take the decisions away from them and lead them in the right direction.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:04 am to TheCaterpillar
In my perfect world, food stamps would get you only beans and water. Something so that you would be able to survive, but so bad, that you would not want to be on it very long.
Realistically, though, food stamps should get you nothing but
meat/water/fruits/vegetables/bread/dairy.
Realistically, though, food stamps should get you nothing but
meat/water/fruits/vegetables/bread/dairy.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:04 am to tylercsbn9
The people that refuse to even consider a potential solution just because of where the solution came from shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I'll add one of the best pieces of management advice a boss ever gave me; "don't come to me bitching about problems, I know what the damn problems are. Why don't you try throwing in a few possible solutions along the way."
Any of you naysayers got any other potential solutions?
I'll add one of the best pieces of management advice a boss ever gave me; "don't come to me bitching about problems, I know what the damn problems are. Why don't you try throwing in a few possible solutions along the way."
Any of you naysayers got any other potential solutions?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:10 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:
He wants to merge his religious beliefs with a lot of his proposed legislation. That is terrifying.
honestly. .. how is it different when others merge anti religious beliefs into govt?
The founders established freedom of religion. .... they always intended god to be a foundation of the nation.
Eta: but to choose for yourself the one you believed in
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 11:17 am to High C
I like most of what's been said in here... the programs definitely need to be overhauled and streamlined.
Merging everything would surely reduce overhead, and also make it easier to spot where people may be taking advantage. One thing I will add, I hope part of the plan is to eliminate the benefit "cliffs". Under the current system, there is little incentive to actually earn money, because at several points earning one more dollar results in a loss of several thousand in benefits. This doesn't seem to get mentioned often, and I think it should. There needs to be a smooth reduction in benefits as income increases, so that it is always better to earn more.
Merging everything would surely reduce overhead, and also make it easier to spot where people may be taking advantage. One thing I will add, I hope part of the plan is to eliminate the benefit "cliffs". Under the current system, there is little incentive to actually earn money, because at several points earning one more dollar results in a loss of several thousand in benefits. This doesn't seem to get mentioned often, and I think it should. There needs to be a smooth reduction in benefits as income increases, so that it is always better to earn more.
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