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So NOAA and NASA are doctoring temperature data.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:51 pm
I used to think highly of these agencies, however in the age of Obama I suppose nothing in the federal government is immune to corruption.
Pathetic.
SIAP
Pathetic.
SIAP
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:03 pm to GumboPot
I didn't recognize the writer of this opinion piece, so I wiki'd the think tank he works for, The Heartland Institute:
LINK
In the 1990s, the group worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question serious cancer risks to secondhand smoke, and to lobby against government public-health reforms.[12][13][14] More recently, the Institute has focused on questioning the science of human-caused climate change, and was described by the New York Times as "the primary American organization pushing climate change skepticism."[15] The Institute has sponsored meetings of climate change skeptics,[16] and has been reported to promote public school curricula challenging the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change.[17]
ETA: The Wiki section on funding is a fun read...strange happenings.
LINK
In the 1990s, the group worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question serious cancer risks to secondhand smoke, and to lobby against government public-health reforms.[12][13][14] More recently, the Institute has focused on questioning the science of human-caused climate change, and was described by the New York Times as "the primary American organization pushing climate change skepticism."[15] The Institute has sponsored meetings of climate change skeptics,[16] and has been reported to promote public school curricula challenging the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change.[17]
ETA: The Wiki section on funding is a fun read...strange happenings.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:09 pm to GumboPot
Let's play a game. I'm going to hover over the link, and summarize the argument in advance. It's Forbes, so it's almost certainly James Taylor. The title of the thread is "NOAA doctoring data," so it's almost certainly the US temperature record and not the global record (because for some strange reason skeptics lose their raw-food approach to data when you zoom out that far). This will be sourced to Watts or Goddard, and they're going to be pushing their usual "all temperature adjustments are fraudulent except for UHI" schtick, which is based on absolutely no actual analysis of the underlying literature, just the blind confirmation bias where UHI is the only cooling adjustment so it must be the "legitimate" one.
EDIT: Hahahaha. I could write a flowchart for this shite. And a two year old link, too? C'mon son. It's not like Goddard doesn't get a signal boost every year from the same sources, you could at least link the 2014 version of the bullshite.
EDIT: Hahahaha. I could write a flowchart for this shite. And a two year old link, too? C'mon son. It's not like Goddard doesn't get a signal boost every year from the same sources, you could at least link the 2014 version of the bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:31 pm to wfeliciana
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I didn't recognize the writer of this opinion piece, so I wiki'd the think tank he works for, The Heartland Institute:
Right on Cue! Thanks for attacking the source and not the actual argument points. Makes for an invalid counterargument
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secondhand smoke
How many people do you know that have died from secondhand smoke?
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has been reported to promote public school curricula challenging the scientific consensus on human-caused climate change
As opposed to promoting only one side of an argument? How sound is that?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:41 pm to ironsides
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Right on Cue!
Really Dude. If we lefties have some rules for responding to posts then they forgot to give them to me. And yeah, it does matter to me about the source of the opinion piece, especially so after reading the "funding" section. I just offered it out there. Take from it what you will or not. As far as responding to the merits of the piece I think Iosh did a pretty good job-I defer to his knowledge since I have none. BTW, you are not serious with the second hand smoke jibe, are you?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:42 pm to ironsides
quote:There is no "actual argument." Taylor says the raw US data is cooling and NOAA "doctors" this by "substituting their own desired readings." The adjustments are well-known and described in multiple papers, e.g., here. Taylor, Goddard, Watts, etc., never bother to read, link, or directly challenge the primary literature underlying and laying out the rationales, methodologies, and equations for these adjustments. They just make snarky posts implying that all adjustments are fraudulent (again, except UHI, because UHI is an adjustment against the AGW trend and therefore skeptics believe if anything the data should be adjusted more for UHI.)
Thanks for attacking the source and not the actual argument
And if you want to say "don't adjust anything, just use the raw data" that's fine and dandy, just be prepared to cover your eyes whenever you look at the global land or sea records, because the U.S. record is fairly unique in showing a raw cooling trend (due to various long-term shifts in observation methodology and equipment described in the above-linked papers.)
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:30 am to GumboPot
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GumboPot
LOL, your source got owned in the first two responses....no need for me to do it.
Once again deniers, vet your sources, just about every single one of you scream...'follow the money', yet you fail to do it everytime with post such as the above
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:34 am to GumboPot
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Raw temperature data show that U.S. temperatures were significantly warmer during the 1930s than they are today. In fact, raw temperature data show an 80-year cooling trend. NOAA is only able to claim that we are experiencing the hottest temperatures on record by doctoring the raw temperature data.
=
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Opinion
and its based on this:
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Steven Goddard
= proven trash
Of course they are targeting people that will just believe whatever they are told without justification.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 6:53 am
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:25 am to Iosh
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Iosh
I appreciate your post...at least you responded to the substance of the article rather than attacking the author. Nevertheless, have physical observations been made that would correlate and confirm that the "correct" adjusted temperature data set is being used? An example of a physical observation would be a change in sea levels based on the fact the destiny is a function of temperature. That is, if the average global temperature has increase there should be a corresponding sea volume increase...has that physical action been observed?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:47 am to GumboPot
It seems that sea level rise would be fairly easy to qualify. Minus any spin or scam info.
The bottom line. Authoritarian Socialists/Statists have co-opted the Green demographic; it's all about World Socialism now. And failing economic mechanisms are a far greater threat to human populations than any variations in Global temps. Throw in shrinking fisheries, water pollution, increased competition, viral threats, tectonic occurrences/asteroids and Ideological nuclear warfare, and temps will be moot.
But of course, Greens would love to see a lot of humans go away; and I suspect that Mother Nature will accommodate em'. Though many don't realize they'll be in the 'go away' numbers.
Raindrop in the ocean.
The bottom line. Authoritarian Socialists/Statists have co-opted the Green demographic; it's all about World Socialism now. And failing economic mechanisms are a far greater threat to human populations than any variations in Global temps. Throw in shrinking fisheries, water pollution, increased competition, viral threats, tectonic occurrences/asteroids and Ideological nuclear warfare, and temps will be moot.
But of course, Greens would love to see a lot of humans go away; and I suspect that Mother Nature will accommodate em'. Though many don't realize they'll be in the 'go away' numbers.
Raindrop in the ocean.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 7:54 am to RCDfan1950
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It seems that sea level rise would be fairly easy to qualify. Minus any spin or scam info.
How?
Even small regular waves are a couple of feet high but these "scientists" can measure the sea level rise in centimeters? I call bullshite.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:06 am to gthog61
I've got a news flash for you guys...wait for it....BOTH SIDES FABRICATE AND MANIPULATE DATA!!
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:09 am to gthog61
I've got a news flash for you guys...wait for it....BOTH SIDES FABRICATE AND MANIPULATE DATA!!
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:10 am to gthog61
Hell, g...just tie a rope around one of the pillars on an oil rig...or stick a pipe in the sand down there in Grand Isle. Land subsistence allowances could be factored in.
ETA, it won't be Global temps that slap the wrists of an unwise humanity; war will, more than likely.
ETA, it won't be Global temps that slap the wrists of an unwise humanity; war will, more than likely.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:11 am to gthog61
I've got a news flash for you guys...wait for it....BOTH SIDES FABRICATE AND MANIPULATE DATA!!
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Why? Because they BOTH have an agenda to push.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 8:30 am to Iosh
quote:
Let's play a game. I'm going to hover over the link, and summarize the argument in advance. It's Forbes, so it's almost certainly James Taylor. The title of the thread is "NOAA doctoring data," so it's almost certainly the US temperature record and not the global record (because for some strange reason skeptics lose their raw-food approach to data when you zoom out that far). This will be sourced to Watts or Goddard, and they're going to be pushing their usual "all temperature adjustments are fraudulent except for UHI" schtick, which is based on absolutely no actual analysis of the underlying literature, just the blind confirmation bias where UHI is the only cooling adjustment so it must be the "legitimate" one.
That was pretty impressive.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:26 am to Iosh
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global land or sea records, because the U.S. record is fairly unique in showing a raw cooling trend
this is because of the gov't sponsored chemtrail program that keeps the US from becoming a barren wasteland due to runaway co2 output
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:27 am to gthog61
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Even small regular waves are a couple of feet high but these "scientists" can measure the sea level rise in centimeters? I call bullshite.
as an oceanographer, I'm telling you it's quite easy using harmonic analysis.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 9:30 am to gthog61
quote:They actually measure it in millimeters, but why call bullshite just because you don't understand it?
Even small regular waves are a couple of feet high but these "scientists" can measure the sea level rise in centimeters? I call bullshite.
Your example of waves being a problem is the easiest part to filter out, with just a pipe with a hole in the bottom. The next problem is tides, but we understand them and it's easy to measure at high and low tides to spot trends. Another problem is changes in local atmospheric pressure, but those variations average out in the long term. There is also the rise in sea level due to the temperature of the water, but this doesn't need to be filtered out because it's part of what's being measured.
Those damned "scientists".
Posted on 7/23/14 at 10:36 am to GumboPot
Hasn't it also been revealed that many temperature gauges relied on to measure alleged global warming are installed on vast plains of black asphalt, such as parking lots and runways?
Such locations are sure to provide high temperature read-out data.
Such locations are sure to provide high temperature read-out data.
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