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Psychiatric care for poor people
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:14 pm
Do you think gang violence and other violence would decrease among the poor population if low income people had access to psychiatric care subsidies? As of now, I don't think the market price for a psychologist allows for poor people to seek care
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you think gang violence and other violence would decrease among the poor population if low income people had access to psychiatric care subsidies?
no
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:21 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
JEEBUS!!!
no.
Or, let me put it this way. Whether it would or not, frick that idea
no.
Or, let me put it this way. Whether it would or not, frick that idea
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:21 pm to doubleb
Psychiatric care isn't the answer; having men be Dads and be in their kids lives everyday is the answer.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
no, I doubt violent crime would decrease that much.
however, it would probably reduce property crimes.
however, it would probably reduce property crimes.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would like to see psychiatric assessments and APD mitigation implemented for prisoners serving short-moderate terms (1-10 years), but I doubt the impact would be all that appreciable.
Psychiatric care is already available for emotionally disturbed persons of limited means. It's just not very good.
Then again, the best psychiatric care in the world doesn't really do much for screwed up people.
Psychiatric care is already available for emotionally disturbed persons of limited means. It's just not very good.
Then again, the best psychiatric care in the world doesn't really do much for screwed up people.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:29 pm to Hawkeye95
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no, I doubt violent crime would decrease that much. however, it would probably reduce property crimes.
Pretty accurate right here. The mentally ill who are homeless are not typically violent in the same way as a gangbanger for example.
The gangbangers tend to leave them alone as well.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:30 pm to Navytiger74
Availability and actually having someone use it are two different things as well.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:31 pm to Paluka
I work in a psych facility. There IS help available for less than fortunate people and that doesn't mean the care is substandard. The docs we have here a damn fine doctors.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
In La the poor inner city people have better access to psychiatric care than most others. There are community mental health centers available for an initial walk in visit and guaranteed hospitalization if they are a danger. Most can get their meds completely free through samples from the clinic or patient assistance programs set up by the pharmaceutical companies.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you think gang violence and other violence would decrease among the poor population if low income people had access to psychiatric care subsidies? As of now, I don't think the market price for a psychologist allows for poor people to seek care
No. It is not a mental health problem, it's a cultural problem. The problem is that a lot of these poor people who are prone to violence have grown up in a culture that scorns education and 9-5 jobs and glorifies sex, violence, and making easy money. I'm not just talking about tv, movies and video games either. I'm also talking about what the environment they grow up in (family and the neighborhood they grow up in).
I'm the last person who will ever start pushing for more government control over media (tv, movies, and video games), so real change has to start in the home. Unfortunately, there will always be a segment of the population that is poor, dumb, and violent. It is up to the individuals to raise their children in an environment that reinforces the importance of getting a good education, turning that into a good career, and respecting other people.
One of the biggest things is that they grow up understanding that they and they alone are responsible for their own success and failures. This whole idea that every problem you have ever encountered is somebody else fault or the fault of people who have been dead since long before you were ever born is part of the problem. We improve ourselves and our lives by recognising our faults and correcting them. If nothing is ever our fault then there is nothing to improve on.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:49 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If everybody was poor like us, we wouldn't have these problems.
Signed,
The Clinton Clan
Signed,
The Clinton Clan
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:53 pm to Wolf
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No. It is not a mental health problem, it's a cultural problem. The problem is that a lot of these poor people who are prone to violence have grown up in a culture that scorns education and 9-5 jobs and glorifies sex, violence, and making easy money. I'm not just talking about tv, movies and video games either. I'm also talking about what the environment they grow up in (family and the neighborhood they grow up in).
I'm the last person who will ever start pushing for more government control over media (tv, movies, and video games), so real change has to start in the home. Unfortunately, there will always be a segment of the population that is poor, dumb, and violent. It is up to the individuals to raise their children in an environment that reinforces the importance of getting a good education, turning that into a good career, and respecting other people.
One of the biggest things is that they grow up understanding that they and they alone are responsible for their own success and failures. This whole idea that every problem you have ever encountered is somebody else fault or the fault of people who have been dead since long before you were ever born is part of the problem. We improve ourselves and our lives by recognising our faults and correcting them. If nothing is ever our fault then there is nothing to improve on.
Unfortunately, by the time the problems attendant with growing up in such dysfunctional circumtances manifest, it's generally too late for cultural remedies and psychiatric intervention is all that's left.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you. I just don't see how we can afford to do nothing. Even if we can't fix these people, maybe we can make them "act right" to the extent that they can function in society.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:55 pm to Navytiger74
aint nothin 10 mg of haldol wont fix
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:12 pm to Tiguar
No. I don't believe it would have any impact at all.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:22 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Do you think gang violence and other violence would decrease among the poor population if low income people had access to psychiatric care subsidies? As of now, I don't think the market price for a psychologist allows for poor people to seek care
There are three or four non profit groups in this small city that run clinics/homes for poor folks to get short term and long term psychiatric care. Sliding scale and in many cases, free.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
condoms and birth control are free at the Health Dept for the poor. They aren't using any of that shite.
They don't want free things that are good for them.
They don't want free things that are good for them.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:37 pm to Navytiger74
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Otherwise, I completely agree with you. I just don't see how we can afford to do nothing. Even if we can't fix these people, maybe we can make them "act right" to the extent that they can function in society
How do you go about fixing it though? Some of them do have legitimate mental health problems that can be helped through psychiatric help. However, for the ones who act that way because of the environment they grew in, I don't see how sending them into a nice building to let a well dressed person tell them what they are doing wrong in their life will solve anything. Remember, a lot of these people grew up scorning success and money made the right way. They grew up being told that everybody else's success was built at your expense. They aren't going to listen to somebody they despise on principle.
If the last 60 years have taught us anything, it's that throwing money at social problems may help help in the short term, but does very little for the long term. You give a gang member of any color 10 million dollars and tell him to have a nice life. Check up on him 1-2 years later and chances are his problems haven't gone away. They've just changed to fit his circumstance.
I don't think it's up to us to do anything for the long term problems. Any changes we make will only do so much. The overall problems have to be solved by the people themselves. We should do what we can in the short term while realising that we can't "fix" people. They have to fix themselves.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 2:40 pm to Wolf
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How do you go about fixing it though? Some of them do have legitimate mental health problems that can be helped through psychiatric help. However, for the ones who act that way because of the environment they grew in, I don't see how sending them into a nice building to let a well dressed person tell them what they are doing wrong in their life will solve anything. Remember, a lot of these people grew up scorning success and money made the right way. They grew up being told that everybody else's success was built at your expense. They aren't going to listen to somebody they despise on principle.
I have seen very few career criminals that were mental cases. There are a number of mental folks wandering around the streets of our state but they are not the ones committing the bulk of crime.
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