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Key Piece of Video “Evidence” to blame Russia for Plane Debunked
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:01 am
LINK
Sorry for the pic size.
Sorry for the pic size.
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The video referenced by the New York Times was, in fact, posted on the Facebook account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister. The allegation was that the launcher was crossing the border with Russia
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However, going by the billboard and other features of the scenery, Russian bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk (“Krasnoarmiysk” in Ukrainian), which has been under Kiev’s control since May
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In fact, the billboard is supposedly advertising a Krasnoarmeisk car dealership. Also, one of the structures in the background is said to be a construction materials store on Gorkii Street, Krasnoarmeisk
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Please note that this town is (very roughly) 120 kilometers from the Russian border and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian 777 went down. And again, it has been under Kiev’s control since May
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:32 am to Placebeaux
That's pretty significant if true. The Ukrainians have made a concerted effort to imply direct Russian complicity in the negligence of this act. Their motive to do so is obvious.
However, those audio intercepts are at minimum damning toward the rebels as being the perpetrators, which they and the Russians continue to deny.
However, those audio intercepts are at minimum damning toward the rebels as being the perpetrators, which they and the Russians continue to deny.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:11 am to Placebeaux
the billboard in the video is not right up in the trees, yet from the overhead view it is almost in the trees.....
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:16 am to Placebeaux
Everyone is quick to blame the Russians and the Separatists because it si easy to blame them and most people in this country see that Russia is the wrong on this Ukraine Russian Conflict. If the United States blamed Ukraine they would be blaming their own allies.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:38 am to Placebeaux
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Russian bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk
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Russian bloggers and news sources
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bloggers and news sources
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Russian
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:43 am to Placebeaux
I'm going to say the rest of the world's media gets the benefit of the doubt on this (over zerohedge.com).
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:58 am to Darth_Vader
That's the problem. There is no unbiased media. So you have to look at the other sides view as well.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:01 pm to a want
So evidence that wasn't needed proved to be false, maybe planted by the worlds most accomplished manufacturer of truth. The USSR made false maps of the borders for years, to trick the people into thinking they were farther from freedom.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:03 pm to a want
When the rest of the world's media is owned by just a few corporations it's easy to believe it could be bias.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:45 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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So evidence that wasn't needed proved to be false, maybe planted by the worlds most accomplished manufacturer of truth.
Just because you come up with 1 piece of evidence supporting a claim, it doesn't void the dozens of pieces of information supporting another claim.
But don't let me stop you: Tinfoil on!
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:50 pm to a want
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a want
I think you misread his post.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:52 pm to a want
Did you read the link? What Points Are You arguing?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:58 pm to Placebeaux
I don't think Russia or the Separatists had anything to gain from such an act.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:04 pm to C
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I think you misread his post.
My bad - I meant to reply to Placebeauxs post
I'm saying the 1 piece of evidence (even if it's true - and that's dubious given the source) doesn't outweigh the other evidence pointing to the seperatists doing the shooting.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:07 pm to a want
Tinfoil? Wtf
What evidence do you have that the separatist did it? And what is the source?
What evidence do you have that the separatist did it? And what is the source?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:11 pm to Porky
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I don't think Russia or the Separatists had anything to gain from such an act.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they did. I'm assuming it was a bad/incompetent mistake but the question is: who is responsible? If it was an intentional attack on an identified commercial jet, then things over there are far worse than anyone imagined.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:16 pm to Placebeaux
This is pretty much everywhere
LINK
I was under the impression that we were at a concensus at this point.
The intercepted phone calls?
LINK
I was under the impression that we were at a concensus at this point.
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Everyone is pretty convinced by now that MH17 was shot down by a Russian-made SA-11 surface-to-air missile system, also known as a "Buk."
As the State Department put it in its July 19 statement: MH17 was "likely downed by a SA-11 surface-to-air missile from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine."
The intercepted phone calls?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:30 pm to Porky
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I don't think Russia or the Separatists had anything to gain from such an act.
That doesn't mean they didn't do it - it could have been a case of mistaken identity - that does happen in a crisis.
I mean this thing was taken at altitude - that means a state actor did it - no rogue force has access to something like that at present, unless you count Iran and North Korea as "rogue forces" - and in Russia's case, it is particularly troubling, because if the separatists did it - it's ultimately Russia's responsibility for providing it to them.
On the other hand, the Ukrainian military also has SA-11 Buk (Buk M1) launchers.
ETA: I do not know what generation (if we can even tell) of launcher was used to shoot down the plane, or what version the Russians supplied to the separatists. What I have access to says the Ukrainians have Buk M1s.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:34 pm to a want
You realize the source for all the info in the link is from The SBU right? The Ukraine secret service.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 1:37 pm to Placebeaux
Oh, people on this board actually think Ukrainian government forces shot down MH 17?
Oh my....
Oh my....
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