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Let's Discuss Heroin

Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:10 pm
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:10 pm
Last summer, I helped conduct an unpublished, comprehensive study on heroin. The stigma, propaganda, health and social effects, criminality, production, usage rates, etc.

The fact of the matter is, we are about to experience a heroin epidemic in this nation due to 3 factors:

1. Heroin use will spike due to the fact that pharmaceutical narcotics (oxy & roxy) are now mandated to be reformulated chemically so you can no longer get high from snorting it.

OXY REFORM LEADS TO HEROIN ABUSE

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In addition to the abuse of oxycodone IR 30 mg, I believe the reformulation has led to an even stronger increase in heroin abuse. Heroin is potent and relatively cheap in the United States, and it makes sense that some of the increase is the result of this change in formulation.





2. Mexican drug cartels, losing billions due to legalized pot in the US, have started manufacturing more opium than ever before.

Drug Dealers Ain't Dumb

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mmigrants from an obscure corner of Mexico are changing heroin use in many parts of the U.S., reports the Los Angeles Times. Farm boys from a tiny county that once depended on sugar cane have perfected an ingenious business model for selling a form of Mexican heroin known as black tar. Using convenient delivery by car and aggressive marketing, they have moved into U.S. cities and small towns, often creating demand for heroin where there was little or none. In many, authorities report increases in overdoses and deaths.

Immigrants from Xalisco in the Pacific Coast state of Nayarit have brought an audacious entrepreneurial spirit to the heroin trade. Their success stems from both their product, cheaper and more potent than Colombian heroin, and a business model that puts a premium on customer convenience and satisfaction. Users need not venture into dangerous neighborhoods for their fix; they call in their orders and drivers take the drug to them. Users are encouraged to bring in new customers, rewarding them with free heroin if they do. In contrast to Mexico's big cartels -- violent, top-down organizations that mainly enrich a small group -- the Xalisco networks are small, decentralized businesses.


Heroin Boom in the USA

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Mexico has a new distinction in the world of illicit drugs as Heroin has seen a six-fold increase in production from 2007-2011 making it the largest Opium producer in the World to second place Afghanistan. Previously 87% of the World’s production of Opium originated in Afghanistan in the 2004 period which contributed roughly $4 billion dollars per year to the country with a 4,500 metric tons output noted in 1999.




And 3, the DEA and other US Forces are protecting opium for our buddies in Afghanistan, where the Taliban had eradicated the plant more than a decade ago.

Afghans Growing Big Time

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America’s war on drugs is failing in Afghanistan, with opium production at record levels, despite spending $7.5 billion to tackle the problem. Over 200 thousand hectares is used to grow opium, an increase of 36 percent, according to a US report.
The report, which was commissioned by SIGAR, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction makes grim reading, with opium poppy cultivation increasing by over a third, while the country now has about 1.3 million heroin users. This is a ten-fold increase compared to 2005, when around 130,000 people were using the drug.




Obviously, there are many more factors that will lead us to another drug scare in this nation, and we will continue to build larger boxes to house addicts and fund the police to a militarized level unseen in history in order to keep us safe from the dangers in this taboo plant, but the above three factors will only serve to enhance the War on Drugs, while there is mounting evidence that our continued policies of old will fail. Once more, while educational outreach has helped with the civic ballot initiatives with marijuana, the wall of ignorance dealing with narcotics will continue to become more founded in misinformation than ever before. Not until we can allow ourselves time for civic discourse and debate will the failure that is almost every governmental drug policy cease to exist, and until then, we become less free with every passing policy.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134817 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:13 pm to
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Mexican drug cartels, losing billions due to legalized pot in the US, have started manufacturing more opium than ever befor


I stated this in a thread a month or two ago and I got torn apart.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40063 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:16 pm to
Legalize and reasonable tax and regulate all drugs and vices/thread
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:17 pm to
I agree with all 3, you are right on the money based on what I have seen.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72834 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:20 pm to
You can't criminalize vices pertaining to substances humans want to put in their bodies. Whether alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana or any of the other hard drugs. A certain percentage of the population always has and always will abuse intoxicants. Just like a certain segment will always use prostitutes and escorts. Legalize drugs and put the money into prevention and treatment.
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:22 pm to
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Legalize and reasonable tax and regulate all drugs and vices


Okay.

But how do you have a conversation with your average American that wants to lock up all the druggies and throw away the key?

How do you get the American voter to shift their righteous way of thinking to one of compassion?

The news won't tell them that the War on Drugs is failing. Some newspaper may try and get a Pulitzer and do a comprehensive study and educate the few of us that still read the newspaper, but besides Barney Frank's upcoming book about heroin, where will the American public get their prodding from?

TD.com?
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:24 pm to
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You can't criminalize vices pertaining to substances humans want to put in their bodies


But we do.

And we have.

And we're really fricking good at it, seeing as how we lead the whole planet in incarceration. And the thing is, nobody seems to care.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32176 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:24 pm to
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You can't criminalize vices pertaining to substances humans want to put in their bodies.
Y'all can shoot, snort, burn anything in the hell you want as long as I don't have to pay for you healthcare. Can you just go into the woods or desert and die and not go to an emergency room?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26957 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:27 pm to
Zohydro.

Vicodin without Tylenol and at high dosages.

Can this be snorted? It will be cost prohibitive though.

Typical FDA and drug company BS. Tweak and retool old shite and charge premium price for it.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18302 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:28 pm to
Yeah, I used to harp on "drug dealers starting to sell more dangerous drugs in order to make up profit loss" as well.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18302 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:30 pm to
You're already paying for prisoners' healthcare? Mad?
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72834 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:30 pm to
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And we're really fricking good at it, seeing as how we lead the whole planet in incarceration


Driven by the Prison Industrial Complex. For- profit prisons and a jobs program for local cops, attorneys, judges etc. Corporations and greed seem to drive all that is shitty in American life and culture now.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:31 pm to
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Heroin


Should be legal for adults.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:33 pm to
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Can you just go into the woods or desert and die and not go to an emergency room


Besides this, can we legalize the justifiable homicide of drug dealers by family members?
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:36 pm to
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Driven by the Prison Industrial Complex


Little known fact:

KY became the first (and only) state in our union to do away with those last summer.

No more private prisons in Kentucky
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The rather quiet announcement last week that Kentucky no longer will house inmates in privately owned prisons was welcome news.

There's always been a philosophical issue with outsourcing this state function. When a government literally takes over control of a person, it assumes a huge responsibility that shouldn't be handed over to a private, for-profit vendor.

Plus, the critical reason for relying on private prisons was that our population of inmates was growing so rapidly that we couldn't keep up with it.

The prison population in Kentucky jumped 45 percent, largely due to the criminalization of nonviolent drug offenses.

This trend was unsustainable in every way: The state budget was becoming consumed with the cost of warehousing thousands of Kentuckians, too many of whom emerged with criminal records and their substance-abuse problems intact.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111489 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:37 pm to
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Y'all can shoot, snort, burn anything in the hell you want as long as I don't have to pay for you healthcare. Can you just go into the woods or desert and die and not go to an emergency room?


This 3.0 * 10^8
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17658 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:43 pm to
this is what your government is concerned about. LINK

don't blame pharmaceuticals on heroin issue its a behavior issue. Methadone is the key they take it and try and get high and overdose and die, natural selection. If you get upset over my comment then get involved, ask for help or help your friends with their addiction don't blame someone else you did you it own it.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:48 pm to
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KY became the first (and only) state in our union to do away with those last summer.


Interesting. Did not know that. Probably a good move by Kentucky IMO, but who really knows.
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
1951 posts
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:50 pm to
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the DEA and other US Forces are protecting opium for our buddies in Afghanistan, where the Taliban had eradicated the plant more than a decade ago


You seem to speak glowingly that the Taliban reduced opium production. Do you advocate the use of Taliban tactics?

"The proactive enforcement combined prevention and punishment to trigger speci?c and general deterrence and incapacitation effects. Many farmers in violation of the prohibition were forced to destroy their own crops before completing a prison term of 2 years or more concurrent with various forms of corporal punishment including whipping and public beatings"

Not only did growers face the punishment so did the local Taliban authority.

LINK

Do you support this tactic in the US as well?
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