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To hell with the trade, sign Love in 2015 and keep Wiggins!
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:43 am
Am I taking crazy pills? All reports are that Love would sign with the Cavaliers next season, so why trade away assets now when it is unlikely that that the Cavs are winning it all next year?
They are only committed to LeBron and Irving next year, and have team options for Bennet and Waiters at 5.8 and 5.1 respectively, along with a qualifying offer for Tristan Thompson at 7.1. Wiggins will also take up roughly 5 when he signs.
Irving and LeBron will gobble up $43M, but the cap will likely be north of $68M for 2015-2016. They are talking about trading Waiters and Bennet now, so why not decline their options and go after Love?
The only downside is that you could miss out on Love, but that could happen regardless. Trading for him now would give you the chance to negotiate now before FA, and you could use Bird Rights along with a 5-yr deal, but is Love worth a 5-yr max deal? No.
Bottom line is that you don't need to give up Wiggins now when the Timberwolves are the team who may end up with nothing if Love walks. IMO, the Cavs have most of the chips.
ETA - I should clarify - I don't think Love is worth the max when you also are giving up Wiggins. I'd take Wiggins for under $7M for the next 4 years over having $63M tied up in LeBron, Irving, and Love. If I keep Wiggins I've $50M tied up in LeBron, Irving, and Wiggins. That cap room can get a nice player next year as well.
Again, it's not whether Love is worth the max, it's whether Love is worth the max plus Wiggins plus another 1st rounder.
They are only committed to LeBron and Irving next year, and have team options for Bennet and Waiters at 5.8 and 5.1 respectively, along with a qualifying offer for Tristan Thompson at 7.1. Wiggins will also take up roughly 5 when he signs.
Irving and LeBron will gobble up $43M, but the cap will likely be north of $68M for 2015-2016. They are talking about trading Waiters and Bennet now, so why not decline their options and go after Love?
The only downside is that you could miss out on Love, but that could happen regardless. Trading for him now would give you the chance to negotiate now before FA, and you could use Bird Rights along with a 5-yr deal, but is Love worth a 5-yr max deal? No.
Bottom line is that you don't need to give up Wiggins now when the Timberwolves are the team who may end up with nothing if Love walks. IMO, the Cavs have most of the chips.
ETA - I should clarify - I don't think Love is worth the max when you also are giving up Wiggins. I'd take Wiggins for under $7M for the next 4 years over having $63M tied up in LeBron, Irving, and Love. If I keep Wiggins I've $50M tied up in LeBron, Irving, and Wiggins. That cap room can get a nice player next year as well.
Again, it's not whether Love is worth the max, it's whether Love is worth the max plus Wiggins plus another 1st rounder.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 1:26 pm
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:44 am to slackster
I agree.
BTW what should the Heat do?
BTW what should the Heat do?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:44 am to slackster
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All reports are that Love would sign with the Cavaliers next season,
Really I've never heard this? I've seen that he was 'intrigued' by the Cavs but I can't see him going anywhere but LA tbh.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:45 am to slackster
Kevin Love isn't going to Cleveland as a free agent.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:46 am to slackster
Where do you play wiggins? He is a 3.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:48 am to RTR America
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Kevin Love isn't going to Cleveland as a free agent.
Fair enough, but if that's the case, I'm not giving up Wiggins or Waiters for a guy that may sign elsewhere in a year. The Cavs cannot afford Dwight/Lakers 2.0.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:49 am to Boomshockalocka
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Really I've never heard this? I've seen that he was 'intrigued' by the Cavs but I can't see him going anywhere but LA tbh.
If traded to Cleveland, Love said he would re-sign with Cleveland next summer if LeBron signed (and he did) with Cleveland this offseason.
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You can keep looking around if you want. Love pretty much said he would re-sign next summer if LeBron came to town. If that wasn't the case, Love said he would likely not re-sign.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:50 am to slackster
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is Love worth a 5-yr max deal? No.
Really? Wow. He is 25 and one of the best PF's in the league. Love >>> Bosh.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:52 am to slackster
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Fair enough, but if that's the case, I'm not giving up Wiggins or Waiters for a guy that may sign elsewhere in a year. The Cavs cannot afford Dwight/Lakers 2.0.
There is a difference. It is much easier to keep him after a trade, but competing against other teams in the open market just wouldn't work out well for Cleveland.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:52 am to slackster
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and you could use Bird Rights along with a 5-yr deal, but is Love worth a 5-yr max deal? No.
Yes.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:53 am to slackster
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but is Love worth a 5-yr max deal? No.
I was with you until that statement. Love is absolutely worth a max deal.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:55 am to slackster
This is what I said in the FA thread
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Love has the stroke here. All he has to say is I am not signing an extension with anyone but Cleveland and minny's leverage is gone.
Flip keeps him, love signs with Cleveland next summer outright
Flip keeps him, does sign and trade with Cleveland gets little back
Flip trades him somewhere besides Cleveland, nobody gives him a good deal because love says I am signing with Cleveland as a UFA
Flip trades him to Cleveland now, why give up wiggins? You don't have to because love's trade value has fallen through the floor
Flip trades him to GS, love refuses to sign extension, why give him klay?
Flip held on to love about two weeks too long
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:56 am to hoopsgalore
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hoopsgalore
Saying that he would resign with them if traded there isn't the same as his saying he would sign with them as a free agent.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:58 am to slackster
Definitely keep Wiggins until at least the All-Star break. There's a reason this kid went #1 overall. His ceiling as an overall player is higher than Kevin Love's IMO. It's just a matter of how long it takes to get him there. Atomesphere-wise, Cleveland is the best possible situation for him.
Cavs aren't winning a championship next year anyway. Wiggins is long, runs like a gazelle, and loves to play D. It's rare that a draft pick of his caliber gets to play next to a HOFer right out of college. Gotta see it through for now, see if they can get Minnesota to blink.
Cavs aren't winning a championship next year anyway. Wiggins is long, runs like a gazelle, and loves to play D. It's rare that a draft pick of his caliber gets to play next to a HOFer right out of college. Gotta see it through for now, see if they can get Minnesota to blink.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:58 am to Gotta have DeZeier
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Where do you play wiggins? He is a 3.
he is a wing, there really arent "positions" any more besides PG, wing, high low four, stretch four or center
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:00 am to Goldrush25
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Definitely keep Wiggins until at least the All-Star break.
He could get injured. He could look terrible.
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His ceiling as an overall player is higher than Kevin Love's IMO.
Kevin Love is already a top-10 player in league. You have no idea if Wiggins ever gets close to that.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:01 am to RTR America
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Kevin Love is already a top-10 player in league. You have no idea if Wiggins ever gets close to that.
That's why I said IMO. I understand people may think differently.
If you're of the opinion that Wiggins is a huge gamble then yeah do the trade. I like the upside of someone like him playing next to Lebron.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:04 am to Goldrush25
I think Andrew Wiggins is going to be great. The problem is Kevin Love already is great.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:05 am to Gotta have DeZeier
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Where do you play wiggins? He is a 3.
He could play two or three. Also Lebron can pretty much play anywhere so it doesn't matter
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:19 am to Gotta have DeZeier
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Where do you play wiggins? He is a 3.
He can play the 2 or LeBron can play the 2.. since it's the same thing.
Oh and
at the OP thinking Love isn't worth the max. 
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