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When will something actually get done to stop these islands from washing away?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:45 pm
I read this story at lunch and it was extremely depressing as are a lot of fishing trips along the Louisiana Coast. It's hard to get excited about all these restoration projects being bandied about, as it seems like nothing ever gets done. When in the hell are we going to stop spending money on "studies" and actually put shovel to dirt?
I'm generally pro-Jindal, but it pissed me off to no end when he took a bunch of BP settlement money and put it in the states Medicaid coffers instead of returning it to the wetlands to fix the damage that was done.
Why is this the case? They can build islands in the Middle East for commercial interests, but we can do anything like this to save our coastline/barrier islands?
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I'm generally pro-Jindal, but it pissed me off to no end when he took a bunch of BP settlement money and put it in the states Medicaid coffers instead of returning it to the wetlands to fix the damage that was done.
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On a tiny island eight miles northeast of Grand Isle, Plaquemines Parish officials wonder if they are seeing the last generation of Louisiana Brown Pelicans hatch there
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Three of the four islands have virtually disappeared, leaving one island with enough real estate to support nests
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"We only have enough to do half of an island right now," Hahn said. "We're hoping once we get started, the rest of the money will show up."
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"We know we can go rebuild these different islands, but the reality is they won't be here 10, 15 years from now," Zeringue said.
Why is this the case? They can build islands in the Middle East for commercial interests, but we can do anything like this to save our coastline/barrier islands?
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:50 pm to TJG210
Whenever CCA gets off their arse
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:57 pm to TJG210
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When will something actually get done to stop these islands from washing away?
Once we let the river change course to replenish the coast.
quote:i guess you have never seen how they build those.
Why is this the case? They can build islands in the Middle East for commercial interests, but we can do anything like this to save our coastline/barrier islands?
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:59 pm to CBDTigerFan
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Whenever CCA gets off their arse
I knew that was coming.....
I wonder if it would feasible to get companies to sponsor these islands. Could be some really good publicity to get some of the oil and gas companies to do this. Only downfall could be that I'm sure the EPA would have to get their grimy hands involved....thus slowing things to a crawl.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:00 pm to TJG210
It has been pretty depressing watching them disappear before my eyes in the last 10 or so years. Breaking my heart and breaking my lower unit all at the same time. 
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:02 pm to CarRamrod
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i guess you have never seen how they build those.
I've seen the discovery channel shows.....don't they just dump limestone, cover that with a tarp like material, and dump sand on top? Like I said in the above post, maybe it's unfeasible (it shouldn't be)to get public funds to do this, why not get public companies to sponsor these islands?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:03 pm to PapaPogey
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It has been pretty depressing watching them disappear before my eyes in the last 10 or so years.
Worst trip every year is the first one in spring to see a little more of Last Island washed away.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:07 pm to TJG210
The state restoration effort is a very complicated matter. They're still working through the federal red tape to actually move forward with the early restoration efforts. Unfortunately, the BP spill money will not be enough to fix the problems, and the law doesn't say it has to be. Most of the damage is caused by pre-Deepwater Horizon actions.
The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:09 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
Because without oil companies this state definitely would be out of money
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:11 pm to shooter35
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Because without oil companies this state definitely would be out of money
This doesn't make the oil disappear. This also wouldn't make Exxon close one of the largest refineries in the world. It would just make those companies live up to the stipulations that they agreed to.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:12 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:14 pm to tigerinthebueche
Unfortunately, you're right. 
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
This has been discussed ad nauseum, but don't forget the damage the levees have done. But if you want to blame the O&G companies for everything, go right ahead if it makes you sleep better at night.
Even if these companies would pony up the money in a lawsuit settlement, do you have any confidence the state would actually put that money towards shoveling mud, or would they just use it to fill the shortfalls in the budget due to their irresponsible spending(like they are doing with the BP funds)?
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:14 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The better question is why did our Governor push our legislature to pass a law basically granting immunity to the oil companies for destroying the coast.
Because the state and federal government are at fault for permitting all the wells.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:18 pm to Capt ST
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The lawsuit is based on established legal theories for alleging corporate negligence, but for all the billions the suit hopes to collect, millions will be spent fighting the case. There’s a better way. As the head of Louisiana’s coastal protection authority told the Times, the state can drive more oil and gas revenue to coastal restoration projects by collecting a bigger piece of the royalties that oil companies pay for offshore production. Currently, the feds scoop up most of that money, but Congress is considering a measure that would give states a bigger cut.
Diverting royalty revenue would use an existing mechanism to devote more money to undoing the damage done by poor regulation and oversight. It’s easy to blame the oil companies for doing what they do. But if we’ve learned anything from decades of offshore drilling operations it’s that we can’t expect companies to do more than the state is asking of them.
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The problem, though, is that the oil companies didn’t do that on their own. They did it with the permission of the state, and they did it, in theory at least, in compliance with existing environmental regulations. Louisiana has always been forgiving of the oil industry because it provides so many jobs in the state.
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pretty much sums it up. So quit blaming Jindal for this one. Blame him for whatever else you think hes done wrong, but for the love of God quit pissing and whining about how you can't sue the very entities that keep this state afloat.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:24 pm to TJG210
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This has been discussed ad nauseum, but don't forget the damage the levees have done. But if you want to blame the O&G companies for everything, go right ahead if it makes you sleep better at night.
Who said I'm totally blaming the oil companies? The levees clearly caused significant problems, but that doesn't mean that the O&G companies didn't. They wanted the suit blocked because they know they would be found liable and have to pay.
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do you have any confidence the state would actually put that money towards shoveling mud, or would they just use it to fill the shortfalls in the budget due to their irresponsible spending(like they are doing with the BP funds)?
You seem kind of misinformed on the BP money. Right now, the only restoration money available is the early restoration stuff, which is even being held up by federal red tape. The money could be put into dedicated funds for specific types of projects similar to Petroleum Violation Escrow accounts. There have been issues of a certain governor pillaging those funds, though.
That said, it still doesn't mean that the O&G companies can blatantly disregard their legal and contractual obligations
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:26 pm to tigerinthebueche
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They did it with the permission of the state
They didn't do it with my permission. Just because they bought and paid for elected officials, and clearly continue to do so, it doesn't mean they don't have any responsibility.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:28 pm to tigerinthebueche
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but for the love of God quit pissing and whining about how you can't sue the very entities that keep this state afloat.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:31 pm to shooter35
How are you proud of that statement? It's a big corporation with a lot of money, so we should take it in the dumper dry? They need us as much as we need them.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:32 pm to Capt ST
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Because the state and federal government are at fault for permitting all the wells.
Yes and no. The permitting of the wells was not the problem if the permits and contracts had been followed. The problem is that the O&G companies ignored the part that said they had to back-fill the canals after the well had been drilled.
ETA - It's true that some people that worked for the state allowed the companies to get away with it, but that doesn't excuse the original fault.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:34 pm
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