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Waino vs Kershaw: Which should start the All star game?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 10:58 am
Wainwright's stat line: LINK
W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP ? WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
11 4 .733 1.79 18 18 0 3 2 0 131.0 94 26 26 4 27 3 111 3 0 4 503 205 2.50 0.924 6.5 0.3 1.9 7.6 4.11
Kershaw: LINK
W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP ? WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
10 2 .833 1.85 13 13 0 2 1 0 87.1 64 18 18 4 12 0 115 0 1 4 335 190 1.49 0.870 6.6 0.4 1.2 11.9 9.58
admittedly i am biased towards Wainwright but i do like the ERA statistic for pitchers and his is the lowest in the majors and he has pitched more innings with 1 more Shut out. However, Kershaw's record is better and there isn't much of a difference in ERA and has more strikeouts.
I don't envy Mattheny in this situation as if he picks Kershaw he risks offending his own players and if he picks Wainwright he will catch flak for picking his own player.
At the end of the day i think he will pick Wainwright but Kershaw may deserve it. Kershaw certainly gets more pub being in LA and is looked at as a more dominant pitcher IMO
ETA: sorry those stat line look like shite i tried my best, use the links
W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP ? WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
11 4 .733 1.79 18 18 0 3 2 0 131.0 94 26 26 4 27 3 111 3 0 4 503 205 2.50 0.924 6.5 0.3 1.9 7.6 4.11
Kershaw: LINK
W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP ? WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
10 2 .833 1.85 13 13 0 2 1 0 87.1 64 18 18 4 12 0 115 0 1 4 335 190 1.49 0.870 6.6 0.4 1.2 11.9 9.58
admittedly i am biased towards Wainwright but i do like the ERA statistic for pitchers and his is the lowest in the majors and he has pitched more innings with 1 more Shut out. However, Kershaw's record is better and there isn't much of a difference in ERA and has more strikeouts.
I don't envy Mattheny in this situation as if he picks Kershaw he risks offending his own players and if he picks Wainwright he will catch flak for picking his own player.
At the end of the day i think he will pick Wainwright but Kershaw may deserve it. Kershaw certainly gets more pub being in LA and is looked at as a more dominant pitcher IMO
ETA: sorry those stat line look like shite i tried my best, use the links
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 11:00 am
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:10 am to Wishnitwas1998
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I don't envy Mattheny in this situation as if he picks Kershaw he risks offending his own players and if he picks Wainwright he will catch flak for picking his own player.
I think it's a little overblown. You can't really go wrong with either choice. That said, I'd rather not offend my own guy and go with Wainwright.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:16 am to Wishnitwas1998
Wainwright, not a difficult choice.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:17 am to Wishnitwas1998
Kershaw
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:19 am to Wishnitwas1998
Difficult to go one way or another. Both have been terrific this year. One starting over the other should not be taken personally.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:21 am to Wishnitwas1998
Is pick my guy if I were coaching
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:25 am to au21tigers
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Kershaw
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Wainwright, not a difficult choice.
Care to say why? I can't figure out who id pick even if neither were on my team
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:27 am to Tiger1242
He could always pick Wainwright and fall back on the "Kershaw missed the early part of the season" thing. That said, I'd pick Kershaw.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:27 am to Wishnitwas1998
36 consecutive scoreless innings. I would say he is the better choice right now. But that's my opionion.
As a coach you got to start your guy.
As a coach you got to start your guy.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:30 am to au21tigers
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As a coach you got to start your guy.
Kinda what I'm thinkin
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:42 am to Wishnitwas1998
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Care to say why?
Mostly because Matheny has the decision... but also because 18 GS > 13 GS, with other stats being relatively even.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/8/14 at 11:57 am to Wishnitwas1998
Wainwright
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:04 pm to Wishnitwas1998
who cares? clayton is already almost unanimously held as the best pitcher in baseball. he doesn't need to prove anything by starting the all star game. both have been great this year
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:47 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Kershaw's record is better and there isn't much of a difference in ERA and has more strikeouts.
In 43 fewer innings. If Kershaw doesn't have the DL stint, it's a runaway for him. With the DL stint, I think you go Wainwright (even if Matheny wasn't the one making the call).
Posted on 7/8/14 at 12:49 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Kershaw obviously. He's not a Cardinal and frick the Cardinals. Everyone hates them and their whiny arse players.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:00 pm to Silky Johnston
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43 fewer innings. If Kershaw doesn't have the DL stint, it's a runaway for him.
Didn't think about that was just reading straight off the stat line. Makes sense cause I figured Kershaw would have a significant lead in Ks.
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Kershaw obviously. He's not a Cardinal and frick the Cardinals. Everyone hates them and their whiny arse players.
What a very well thought out post
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:16 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Personally I go Kershaw, while Wainwrifht has been very good Kershaw is the best pitcher in baseball. The fans want to see him and he is actually just as deserving.
Plus it is the All-Star game so they only pitch 2 innings tops
Plus it is the All-Star game so they only pitch 2 innings tops
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:33 pm to tduecen
First was gonna say Waino, but decided Kershaw.
Just let him start and get his consecutive streak going early on and fall back on Waino. Might be superstitious here, but think Waino would handle coming out the pen better.. Plus Kershaw is still the best, he was hurt for the beginning of the season so not sure about this complete games stat mentioned..
Just let him start and get his consecutive streak going early on and fall back on Waino. Might be superstitious here, but think Waino would handle coming out the pen better.. Plus Kershaw is still the best, he was hurt for the beginning of the season so not sure about this complete games stat mentioned..
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:41 pm to Wishnitwas1998
This reminds me of a few years ago when people were debating whether Roy Halladay or Jair Jurrjens should start the ASG. Forget the numbers over the first half of a season, I want to see the guy who is the best pitcher. Obviously Wainwright is no Jurrjens and is amazing in his own right but it's Kershaw for me.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:59 pm to floridatigah
Kersaw vs Tanaka
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