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Best Genre-Critiquing Movies
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:41 am
One of my favorite types of movies are those that comment/critique/analyze their own genre through films. I don't know why, but being aware of both the purpose of the film and the voice is almost always unique. Directors who gun for something like this also take a lot of chances, more so than they would otherwise.
Anyways, the horror genre is particularly skilled at commenting on itself.
Best Three for Horror:
1. Scream
2. Wes Craven's New Nightmare (I honestly think is the best one, maybe the best ever. It's a brilliant film honestly.)
3. Cabin in the Woods
The animated film Monster House also does a pretty good job both lampooning and critiquing horror films.
When it comes to action films, we've had a recent upsurge in those films in Hot Fuzz and 21/22 Jump Street.
Unforgiven is certainly an overt commentary on the western.
The Lego Movie had a nice bead on dissecting children's films as well.
Anyways, the horror genre is particularly skilled at commenting on itself.
Best Three for Horror:
1. Scream
2. Wes Craven's New Nightmare (I honestly think is the best one, maybe the best ever. It's a brilliant film honestly.)
3. Cabin in the Woods
The animated film Monster House also does a pretty good job both lampooning and critiquing horror films.
When it comes to action films, we've had a recent upsurge in those films in Hot Fuzz and 21/22 Jump Street.
Unforgiven is certainly an overt commentary on the western.
The Lego Movie had a nice bead on dissecting children's films as well.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:51 am to Freauxzen
I was really impressed with how well 22 jump street did this
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:54 am to RonFNSwanson
Blazing Saddles
Young Frankenstein
High Anxiety
Dracula Dead and Loving It
Young Frankenstein
High Anxiety
Dracula Dead and Loving It
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:59 am to Freauxzen
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1. Scream
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3. Cabin in the Woods
First two that entered my mind when I saw the thread title.
Scream is definitely one of the best. And Cabin in the Woods is one of my favorite movies of the last five or ten years.
New Nightmare is also a great call. And to be fair, the Scream sequels did a pretty solid job as well and were solid in their own rights, even though the original was head and shoulders above them.
Blazing Saddles was another awesome one. As well as Spaceballs. And Monty Python/Holy Grail was great at this too.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
This Is the End
Being John Malkovich
Being John Malkovich
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:00 pm to Freauxzen
What, no Shaun of the Dead?
I think horror is probably the most common genre for this, but I'm speculating. I personally didn't love New Nightmare, but the other two are solid examples.
There was another ridiculous action film, I can't think of the name, it had Clive Owen in it.
Would The Expendables series fall into this category? I feel like they would.
I think horror is probably the most common genre for this, but I'm speculating. I personally didn't love New Nightmare, but the other two are solid examples.
There was another ridiculous action film, I can't think of the name, it had Clive Owen in it.
Would The Expendables series fall into this category? I feel like they would.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:00 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Blazing Saddles
Young Frankenstein
High Anxiety
Dracula Dead and Loving It
At least to me there's a difference between "spoofing" and critiquing. They can be similar, see Blazing Saddles, but I think the other three are just spoofs. Like Top Secret. It's a spoof of a spy film for fun, rather than an honest critique saying, "What makes this genre tick? And why?"
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:02 pm to Freauxzen
I haven't seen 22 Jump Street yet, but I remember how awesome it was in 21JS when they kept shooting the cars expecting them to blow up and they weren't. That was pretty hilarious.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:02 pm to Freauxzen
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At least to me there's a difference between "spoofing" and critiquing
I'm picking up what you're putting down. By that definition I'd say The Expendables works in that sense, but Shaun of the Dead doesn't. And Hot Fuzz doesn't work either.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:03 pm to Matisyeezy
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What, no Shaun of the Dead?
Straddles that line.
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I think horror is probably the most common genre for this,
It is, because I think Scream's critique is right on. No genre of film is more explicit about rules than horror movies were from 1973 to 1995. Really until Scream.
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I personally didn't love New Nightmare
Any reason?
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There was another ridiculous action film, I can't think of the name, it had Clive Owen in it.
Shoot Em Up. Good call I forgot about that one.
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Would The Expendables series fall into this category? I feel like they would.
Although I like the movies for what they are, I would say no. Hudson Hawk and Shoot Em Up are more critical.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:06 pm to Freauxzen
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Any reason?
I think it was when I watched it. I did a Nightmare marathon around Halloween two years ago and that came towards the end. I felt like that incarnation of Freddy was such a stark departure, but I think that was the point. I think I just preferred the feel of the original two films, but I don't really think that's what Craven was going for. And it wasn't what I was looking for, if that makes sense.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:16 pm to Freauxzen
Adaptation
Nic Cage, Meryl Streep, Chris Cooper - screenwriter Charlie Kaufman goes off his rocker.
GOAT
Nic Cage, Meryl Streep, Chris Cooper - screenwriter Charlie Kaufman goes off his rocker.
GOAT
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:23 pm to genro
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Adaptation
Good one. As a critique on film as a whole really.
Barton Fink is similar in that regard.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:27 pm to Freauxzen
Walk Hard... though I guess they are more spoofing than critiquing or whatever
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:33 pm to Freauxzen
Gremlins 2 was meta before most people even knew what it was in film
a lot of the Muppet movies would also fall under this category
a lot of the Muppet movies would also fall under this category
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:36 pm to broeho
There is a lot of overlap between
Spoofing
Self-Analyzing
Swlf-Critiquing
Being "meta"
"Breaking the fourth wall"
Etc..
The distinctions are a little blurry to me.
Spoofing
Self-Analyzing
Swlf-Critiquing
Being "meta"
"Breaking the fourth wall"
Etc..
The distinctions are a little blurry to me.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:38 pm to genro
Fight Club and Kill Bill maybe.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:43 pm to Freauxzen
Last Action Hero, ahead of its time.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:45 pm to genro
quote:
Spoofing
Self-Analyzing
Swlf-Critiquing
Being "meta"
"Breaking the fourth wall"
Etc..
To an extent, but I think there are some lines that can be navigated.
Take Spaceballs (which has more in common with the other three Brooks films) and Scream. The true goal of that film is to "make fun" of Star Wars and to a lesser extent, science fiction films. It isn't really asking questions about genre, or critiquing how the genre works. The movie is more concerned with the easy gag. There's a place for that of course, it's a fun film, but it doesn't care about the history or past of what its subject matter is. Yoda becomes Yogurt. I mean, how is that a critique? It certainly has moments, particularly the Spaceballs home video scene and franchising cash outs, but those are sandwiched between Pizza the Hut and Yogurt, and as always for Brooks, Jewish stereotypes. And Spaceballs had little effect on science fiction films at all.
On the other hand, something like Scream gets its momentum from saying, "This is how horror movies work, why do they work that way" It's literally an essay on horror films because Craven had become a little disillusioned with them. SO he says, "These are the rules," and has a character list them explicitly in the film, then his plot revolves around characters doing those exact things. Have sex...die. Leave the room, don't come right back, etc. while at the same time, proving to the audience that there are things you can do apart from the norm. It's a nice play between paying homage to a genre he helped to create and correcting the course a bit. We had a spurt of slasher movies after that, but the genre is effectively dead.
The primary concern of Spaceballs was to make you laugh by making fun of science fiction films. The primary function of Scream was to induce fear/thrills while analyzing why horror films work the way they do.
To me, there is a giant chasm there, to others, maybe not so much.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:46 pm to xenythx
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Last Action Hero, ahead of its time.
Another good one.
So yeah Action and Horror seem to have the most opportunity to partake in this kind of commentary.
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