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Instant Replay in Baseball Failure....
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:30 pm
I Watched this game yesterday and remember the play but didn't think twice about it till now
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Here’s what happened: with one out in the second inning, the Blue Jays loaded the bases against Sonny Gray and the A’s. Anthony Gose hit a grounder to A’s first baseman Nate Freiman. Freiman appeared to tag Munenori Kawasaki as he ran for second base, but umpire Vic Carapazza ruled that Freiman missed the tag and Kawasaki was safe. The play is still in motion with runners heading toward every bag. Freiman fires the ball home to catcher Steven Vogt. Vogt receives the ball and steps on home plate to get the force out of Edwin Encarnacion, who was running from third. Play ends. You can watch it all here.
Blue Jays manager John Gibbons comes out to challenge the call on the Freiman tag of Kawasaki. That is, he comes out in an effort to have his own base runner, who was called safe, called out. He does so because if Kawasaki was tagged, there was no force play in effect at home and Encarnacion needed to have been tagged, rather than forced out. After a four minute+ review, it is ruled that, yes, Kawasaki was tagged and that Encarnacion, since he was not tagged, was safe at home. A run was awarded to the Jays.
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:38 pm to tduecen
how is that a failure? sounds like Gibbons made a smart move
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:39 pm to K9
it is a failure on instant replay
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:43 pm to tduecen
how? they're supposed to get the call right...if dude tagged the baserunner then he is out. teams have to adjust and start tagging people even in force plays if they want to prevent this situation.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:46 pm to K9
The issue is the catcher didn't tag the runner because the call on the field was that the runner was safe. So it was a force out at home, when Gibbons argued that the runner was indeed out then the force at home was no more, meaning they allowed the run.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:51 pm to K9
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teams have to adjust and start tagging people even in force plays if they want to prevent this situation
What? Just....no.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 3:54 pm to BraveTiger225
Let's all hope K9 never has to create policy for any of us.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:09 pm to tduecen
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The issue is the catcher didn't tag the runner because the call on the field was that the runner was safe. So it was a force out at home, when Gibbons argued that the runner was indeed out then the force at home was no more, meaning they allowed the run.
I understand the issue, and I'm telling you the solution...if there is a close play on the field, tag the force runner just to be safe...its not that hard, teams have been teaching this policy since the instant replay rule was approved
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:13 pm to BraveTiger225
obviously i'm not saying tag for every force out, but in the situation the op described where you try to tag the runner, but aren't sure, and then fire it to the plate....you should communicate to the catcher to tag the runner coming home just in case....its not like its rocket science to remember or implement. just a new facet of the game that instant replay has created.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:14 pm to K9
quote:link? or just spouting off?
teams have been teaching this policy since the instant replay rule was approved
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:22 pm to tduecen
i know the braves have been...guess i should have specified. in fact Freeman made a play earlier in the year. had a close play at first with 2 outs, i think, and after he fielded the throw he fired the ball to third to get the a force out on the runner. turned out that the player was out at first anyways, but it is something you have to practice for.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:25 pm to K9
quote:so he got the force on first and threw to third, did third baseman apply a tag? How is it a close play if he got the force at 1st? You don't see too many bang bang plays where the 1B fields the ball and gets the force at 1st....
in fact Freeman made a play earlier in the year. had a close play at first with 2 outs, i think, and after he fielded the throw he fired the ball to third to get the a force out on the runner. turned out that the player was out at first anyways, but it is something you have to practice for.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:31 pm to tduecen
There was no other call the replay umpires could have made, unless you have a better idea.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:32 pm to ballscaster
I don't but it does exhibit the failure of replay, players are going by call on the field.
It is something that needs tweaking in some capacity
It is something that needs tweaking in some capacity
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:34 pm to K9
no, just no
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:34 pm to tduecen
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so he got the force on first and threw to third, did third baseman apply a tag?
yes.
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How is it a close play if he got the force at 1st?
it was a bang, bng play at first. they happen all the time. you know this.
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You don't see too many bang bang plays where the 1B fields the ball and gets the force at 1st....
he didn't field it it was thrown to him at first
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:36 pm to K9
I'm still failing how this even relates to the OP....
If he got the force at first then of course the 3B had to apply the tag.... had they called the runner safe at first and 3B applied a tag you would have a point
If he got the force at first then of course the 3B had to apply the tag.... had they called the runner safe at first and 3B applied a tag you would have a point
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:39 pm to tduecen
The fact is that the first baseman tagged the runner, and the catcher didn't apply the tag to his runner. When that happens, a run is scored. Replay got it right.
The clubs called for replay, and they got it.
The clubs called for replay, and they got it.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:41 pm to ballscaster
Exactly, but it is a hole in replay when players are going by the call on the field. One that could alter an entire game
Posted on 7/4/14 at 4:42 pm to tduecen
well its not directly related to the OP bt you asked if I was spouting off about team preparing for this situation and I gave you an example.
The point is...in close plays, with the base loaded (or whatever) that you think might get reviewed, tag the force players.
if the catcher tags the force player in the OP story then there isn't a problem....not that hard
The point is...in close plays, with the base loaded (or whatever) that you think might get reviewed, tag the force players.
if the catcher tags the force player in the OP story then there isn't a problem....not that hard
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