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Will the fact Nadal has trouble winning on grass affect his legacy?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:10 pm
I know he has taken Wimbledon twice but you look at other guys like Federer and Sampras who won over 5 times and multiple times in a row, and since Wimbledon is pretty much the most prestigious tournament like the Masters is he needs to win more there IMO to be in the GOAT conversation.
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:11 pm to goldennugget
What does the script say about his future performances at majors?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:11 pm to goldennugget
In. Just because it's a goldennugget thread.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:12 pm to Mohamed Ali
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What does the script say about his future performances at majors?
That he at least has a career slam which is more than what Sampras can say
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:12 pm to goldennugget
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:18 pm to goldennugget
I am a bit of a Fedtard and really don't like Nadal for a lot of reasons. But, if he gets to 18, even with 10 RG, he is GOAT.
Fed has one French Open, nothing on the head-to-head, has lost Aussie and Wimbledon matches to Rafa, lost to young Rafa during Fed's prime, etc, etc. Really, all Fed fans have is that a decent amount of those head-to-heads were on clay and Rafa just didn't advance far enough in some Wimbledons and US Opens to lose to Fed (which is a big assumption to have in the first place).
Fed has one French Open, nothing on the head-to-head, has lost Aussie and Wimbledon matches to Rafa, lost to young Rafa during Fed's prime, etc, etc. Really, all Fed fans have is that a decent amount of those head-to-heads were on clay and Rafa just didn't advance far enough in some Wimbledons and US Opens to lose to Fed (which is a big assumption to have in the first place).
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:18 pm to goldennugget
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Will the fact Nadal has trouble winning on grass affect his legacy?
His domination of the French Open does way more for him then anything else he may do at Wimbledon.
His legacy is intact.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:20 pm to goldennugget
I think his dominance on clay will help make up for it. If he hadn't won Wimbledon at all maybe, but he's won twice and even beat Federer there.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:20 pm to goldennugget
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I know he has taken Wimbledon twice but you look at other guys like Federer and Sampras who won over 5 times and multiple times in a row, and since Wimbledon is pretty much the most prestigious tournament like the Masters is he needs to win more there IMO to be in the GOAT conversation.
Trouble. Winning. On. Grass. AYFKM?
He won Wimbledon twice and made it to five straight finals.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I am a bit of a Fedtard and really don't like Nadal for a lot of reasons. But, if he gets to 18, even with 10 RG, he is GOAT.
Do you think if a player dominated Wimbledon like Nadal does the French Open that the player would be considered GOAT?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:22 pm to Bunk Moreland
Well Wasn't Fed clearly #2 on Clay while Fed was dominating the other surfaces?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:22 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Rafa just didn't advance far enough in some Wimbledons and US Opens to lose to Fed (which is a big assumption to have in the first place).
Which Wimbledons?
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:22 pm to goldennugget
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Do you think if a player dominated Wimbledon like Nadal does the French Open that the player would be considered GOAT?
Depends on what else he does. But nobody has dominated an event like Rafa has dominated the French.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:24 pm to goldennugget
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Do you think if a player dominated Wimbledon like Nadal does the French Open that the player would be considered GOAT?
We value Wimbledon more because of history/prestige/mystique, but grass is a fluky arse surface. Guys like Roddick or Ivanisevic could easily have four Wimbledons if things had broken the right way. Doesn't mean they are all time greats. Wimbledon shouldn't carry that much more value when evaluating greatness. Heck, I think you can argue the hard court tournaments should carry the most weight because it is the most neutral surface.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:24 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Well Wasn't Fed clearly #2 on Clay while Fed was dominating the other surfaces?
Fed was dominating the other surfaces when Nadal was a teenager. And even then, only when he wasn't playing Nadal.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:28 pm to Bunk Moreland
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We value Wimbledon more because of history/prestige/mystique, but grass is a fluky arse surface. Guys like Roddick or Ivanesvic could easily have four Wimbledons if things had broken the right way. Doesn't mean they are all time greats. Wimbledon shouldn't carry that mush more value when evaluating greatness. Heck, I think you can argue the hard court tournaments should carry the most weight because it is the most neutral surface.
Grass is also a novelty surface. It's sort of a gimmick.
They play zero Masters events on grass. Hell, they don't even play a 500 event on grass. Not even a single freaking 500 event.
Professional tennis is 60% hard courts, 35% clay courts, and 5% grass courts. And if were to tally up available points, 5% is probably being generous.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:31 pm to goldennugget
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I know he has taken Wimbledon twice but you look at other guys like Federer and Sampras who won over 5 times and multiple times in a row, and since Wimbledon is pretty much the most prestigious tournament like the Masters is he needs to win more there IMO to be in the GOAT conversation.
This is mindblowingly retarded.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:42 pm to kidbourbon
wyd
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:44 pm to goldennugget
He is definitely GOAT on clay imo. As far as overall, I don't think he is, but he has an argument.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:45 pm to goldennugget
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I know he has taken Wimbledon twice but you look at other guys like Federer and Sampras who won over 5 times and multiple times in a row, and since Wimbledon is pretty much the most prestigious tournament like the Masters is he needs to win more there IMO to be in the GOAT conversation.
You went full bobbyray here.
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