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Moms are illegal, but kids born here are legal

Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:09 pm
Posted by chity
Chicago, Il
Member since Dec 2008
6074 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:09 pm
Would someone please explain this to me why.

I know it had to do with the post Civil wars amendments, but why is this the case today.

It makes no sense and I do not think any other country adheres to this type of policy.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67635 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:13 pm to
Would libs mind if we forced all pregnant illegals to have abortions?

What would be the big deal?

It's not like we would be killing anyone. Right?
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39161 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:19 pm to
We would have to pass a Constitutional amendment to change it. It would be very difficult. But Barack does have his pen so you never know.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54202 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:21 pm to
Are kids born on overseas bases considered citizens of that country along with being one of the U.S.?
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20850 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:25 pm to
American citizen children get deported along with their mothers all the time. Just because they're citizens doesn't mean their parents don't get removed.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98453 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:30 pm to
It's because of a fricking footnote in a Supreme Court decision.

It's bullshite and no other country does this.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

Are kids born on overseas bases considered citizens of that country along with being one of the U.S.?
It depends on the nationality of the parents. If you're born in Japan, for example, and your parents are not Japanese, you are not considered a Japanese citizen.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118893 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

Moms are illegal, but kids born here are legal


We are the only country that doesn't verify voter identity, and we are the only country that allows anchor babies.

Makes us the stupidest country on earth.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:38 pm to
It is one of the thousands of a$$backwards policies we have here.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53768 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:46 pm to
quote:

Moms are illegal, but kids born here are legal
Would someone please explain this to me why.


The Republicans have a war on women campaign going on...otherwise the Mom's would be legal as well
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41157 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:01 pm to
"Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.."

SCOTUS 1830
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:01 pm to
Because we're a fricking nation of immigrants.

Why are you so special just because your parents were born here?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73414 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

Because we're a fricking nation of immigrants.
Well we should have no laws concerning borders.

quote:

Why are you so special just because your parents were born here?
Well I love the aspect of running across a border and shitting out a kid as a basis for legal citizenship.
Posted by wfeliciana
Member since Oct 2013
4504 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:14 pm to
I know nothing about immigration law, but the below is from Wiki and seems right. If we have any immigration lawyers I'm sure they can educate us more:

Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th Amendment, if that person:

Is born in the United States
Has parents that are subjects of a foreign power, but not in any diplomatic or official capacity of that foreign power
Has parents that have permanent domicile and residence in the United States
Has parents that are in the United States for business
The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,[7] but it has generally been assumed that they are.[8]
Posted by ULL Cool J
Member since Jun 2008
924 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:17 pm to
Children under 18, born in this country to non-citizens should have the same status as their parents.

If one parent is citizen = citizen

If parents are legal aliens not seeking citizenship = same as parents, and leave with parents when time is up

If parents are legal aliens seeking citizenship, can become citizens along with parents after going through naturalization process

If parents are illegal, children are illegal and should be removed with/like parents => no such thing as anchor babies
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73414 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:19 pm to
Bingo.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41157 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

Well I love the aspect of running across a border and shitting out a kid as a basis for legal citizenship.


What about the 10,000 chinese women that flew into the US just to give birth to an american citizen? (there are business in Hawaii and California set up just for this)

Thousands of South Koreans and Japanese go to Saipan(US Territory) for the same reason.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73414 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:23 pm to
That is a big a horeshit program as anyone who enters simply to shite a kid out.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:35 pm to
Where is your line drawn? In 1850 if you showed up you were a citizen.


The whole thing is just scare mongering for white people. 10,000 Chinese people!!! The horror!!
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118893 posts
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:37 pm to
Well said.
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