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My e-mail to Rand Paul - Somewhat arrogant
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:37 pm
This is it in its entirety, except my name and personal information. I replied to his campaign after receiving an e-mail about abortion several days ago. I rec'd a reply, which I'm not posting here, which leads me to believe Mr. Paul got the message I sent to some campaign junior staffer.
Mr. Paul -
Some free advice from someone in Iowa that keeps a low profile, but who generally likes to win elections. In order to get elected, we as Republicans need to be the party of state's rights. Abortion is a polarizing issue. This is an opportunity for you to stand up and answer the question in a manner that might actually win an election. That is to say, "It is against my personal belief system, but it is the settled law of the land. Further, it is a state's right's issue."
End of statement.
Now at some point you'll be in Cedar Rapids, and at some point I'd imagine I'll get invited to play golf with you, or smoke a cigar. You'll have a chance to explain your foreign policy to me. I'll listen as most elected Republicans are 100% failures at being fiscally conservative. I'll not listen if I get called by someone at a call center.
I stood right up at our caucus and told everyone guys like me wouldn't be voting for Republicans any longer if they keep this crap up. The one gentleman who was interested was a Congressman from Utah that attended. I don't recall his name. You will likely visit with him about his experience in Iowa. I'm pretty sure he will remember my diatribe. He came over and asked a lot of questions after I was done.
Now will you get $50,000 from me? No. But I will give you some names. Maybe we can actually take this thing back if it isn't too far gone already. I fear it is to far gone based on the arrogance and entitlement of the IRS employees at the recent hearings. They are employees, they should start to act like it.
Respectfully,
Mr. Paul -
Some free advice from someone in Iowa that keeps a low profile, but who generally likes to win elections. In order to get elected, we as Republicans need to be the party of state's rights. Abortion is a polarizing issue. This is an opportunity for you to stand up and answer the question in a manner that might actually win an election. That is to say, "It is against my personal belief system, but it is the settled law of the land. Further, it is a state's right's issue."
End of statement.
Now at some point you'll be in Cedar Rapids, and at some point I'd imagine I'll get invited to play golf with you, or smoke a cigar. You'll have a chance to explain your foreign policy to me. I'll listen as most elected Republicans are 100% failures at being fiscally conservative. I'll not listen if I get called by someone at a call center.
I stood right up at our caucus and told everyone guys like me wouldn't be voting for Republicans any longer if they keep this crap up. The one gentleman who was interested was a Congressman from Utah that attended. I don't recall his name. You will likely visit with him about his experience in Iowa. I'm pretty sure he will remember my diatribe. He came over and asked a lot of questions after I was done.
Now will you get $50,000 from me? No. But I will give you some names. Maybe we can actually take this thing back if it isn't too far gone already. I fear it is to far gone based on the arrogance and entitlement of the IRS employees at the recent hearings. They are employees, they should start to act like it.
Respectfully,
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:40 pm to Iowa Golfer
Ok....why wouldn't you post his reply?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:41 pm to Iowa Golfer
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:41 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
Somewhat arrogant
"Somewhat"?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:42 pm to Iowa Golfer
Man, you must be important!
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:42 pm to stuntman
Only somewhat arrogant because it is mostly narcissistic.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:44 pm to Kingwood Tiger
It would be edited. His people obviously looked up my donations, and figured out what business I own. It's filled with names of people, and bunch of other info best not posted on the interwebz.
I was half pissed when I got the e-mail. The first contact by his e-mail campaign, designed to win the Iowa social issues base, was on abortion.
The whole point of me posting it, and trust me, I'm still not sure if I should take it down, was really speaking loudly that he would reply to any e-mail written in the tone I wrote it in.
I was half pissed when I got the e-mail. The first contact by his e-mail campaign, designed to win the Iowa social issues base, was on abortion.
The whole point of me posting it, and trust me, I'm still not sure if I should take it down, was really speaking loudly that he would reply to any e-mail written in the tone I wrote it in.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:48 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
That is to say, "It is against my personal belief system, but it is the settled law of the land. Further, it is a state's right's issue."
Do you realize this is a contradictory statement unless you are arguing to strike down RvW?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 5:53 pm to GumboPot
Do you think the average voter will think it through that far?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:03 pm to cwill
quote:
Man, you must be important!
heck yeah ... gotta be bona-fide!
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:04 pm to Iowa Golfer
Of course not...and that's a problem with an ignorant electorate. But I also think it's poor advice to argue for states rights on one hand and the "law of the land on the other". I'd stick with states rights and leave it at that if the press allows him to cease from elaborating. And if he has to explain further, explain on the basis of federalism. In fact all government issues should be based in federalism. That's a very rare approach in today's politics and there is a lot of irony there given the fact that our country was founded on federalism.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:05 pm to navy
Marine.
In all seriousness, it's not uncommon for people in Iowa to have face to face sit downs with people that want to be POTUS. And I'm active in certain campaigns donations, and otherwise.
Important? Possibly, but doubtful.
In all seriousness, it's not uncommon for people in Iowa to have face to face sit downs with people that want to be POTUS. And I'm active in certain campaigns donations, and otherwise.
Important? Possibly, but doubtful.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:07 pm to Iowa Golfer
I didn't find it arrogant. I think it sounds like something written by a man with conviction and that is what politicians need. Lord knows there is no shortage of yes men lining up to kiss arse.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:09 pm to mauser
Typically ... you have to put the lie-of-all-lies .... "The Honorable" ... in front of their names.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:10 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
This is it in its entirety, except my name and personal information. I replied to his campaign after receiving an e-mail about abortion several days ago. I rec'd a reply, which I'm not posting here, which leads me to believe Mr. Paul got the message I sent to some campaign junior staffer.
Mr. Paul -
Some free advice from someone in Iowa that keeps a low profile, but who generally likes to win elections. In order to get elected, we as Republicans need to be the party of state's rights. Abortion is a polarizing issue. This is an opportunity for you to stand up and answer the question in a manner that might actually win an election. That is to say, "It is against my personal belief system, but it is the settled law of the land. Further, it is a state's right's issue."
End of statement.
Now at some point you'll be in Cedar Rapids, and at some point I'd imagine I'll get invited to play golf with you, or smoke a cigar. You'll have a chance to explain your foreign policy to me. I'll listen as most elected Republicans are 100% failures at being fiscally conservative. I'll not listen if I get called by someone at a call center.
I stood right up at our caucus and told everyone guys like me wouldn't be voting for Republicans any longer if they keep this crap up. The one gentleman who was interested was a Congressman from Utah that attended. I don't recall his name. You will likely visit with him about his experience in Iowa. I'm pretty sure he will remember my diatribe. He came over and asked a lot of questions after I was done.
Now will you get $50,000 from me? No. But I will give you some names. Maybe we can actually take this thing back if it isn't too far gone already. I fear it is to far gone based on the arrogance and entitlement of the IRS employees at the recent hearings. They are employees, they should start to act like it.
Respectfully,
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:10 pm to Iowa Golfer
You're right:
"Of course not...and that's a problem with an ignorant electorate. But I also think it's poor advice to argue for states rights on one hand and the "law of the land on the other". I'd stick with states rights and leave it at that if the press allows him to cease from elaborating. And if he has to explain further, explain on the basis of federalism. In fact all government issues should be based in federalism. That's a very rare approach in today's politics and there is a lot of irony there given the fact that our country was founded on federalism."
He's got people hired to think stuff like this through for him. He just wants my vote, some money and some introductions from me. Again, I got the e-mail, and have been in a significantly bad mood watching the IRS thing, so I went off.
I like him. Anyone that would respond to the above seems like a decent guy.
"Of course not...and that's a problem with an ignorant electorate. But I also think it's poor advice to argue for states rights on one hand and the "law of the land on the other". I'd stick with states rights and leave it at that if the press allows him to cease from elaborating. And if he has to explain further, explain on the basis of federalism. In fact all government issues should be based in federalism. That's a very rare approach in today's politics and there is a lot of irony there given the fact that our country was founded on federalism."
He's got people hired to think stuff like this through for him. He just wants my vote, some money and some introductions from me. Again, I got the e-mail, and have been in a significantly bad mood watching the IRS thing, so I went off.
I like him. Anyone that would respond to the above seems like a decent guy.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:13 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
Now at some point you'll be in Cedar Rapids, and at some point I'd imagine I'll get invited to play golf with you, or smoke a cigar. You'll have a chance to explain your foreign policy to me.
Narcissistic much?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:18 pm to deltaland
No, I'm a realist. I played golf with Qualyle when he was VP. I smoked a cigar with Rudy when he was thinking about running.
It's Iowa, they come a knocking, and if I'm going to take my time, I'm going to at least spend it doing something I enjoy if they're agreeable. I've met a lot of them. No big deal around here.
It's Iowa, they come a knocking, and if I'm going to take my time, I'm going to at least spend it doing something I enjoy if they're agreeable. I've met a lot of them. No big deal around here.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:25 pm to Iowa Golfer
Doesn't seem arrogant at all - these guys need guys like you to hold them to task without just voting blindly.
Hope the response was as heartfelt.
Hope the response was as heartfelt.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:26 pm to Iowa Golfer
Not-so-subtle brag thread.
Take it to the OT.
Take it to the OT.
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