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IRS emails - is it accurate that they could all be lost and not recoverable?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:33 pm
What says the Tech gurus?
What type of redundancies would an agency like IRS have to prevent lost emails?
What would the Tech Board do to recover them?
What type of redundancies would an agency like IRS have to prevent lost emails?
What would the Tech Board do to recover them?
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:37 pm to Willie Stroker
No, they would have backups of backups. Even our po-dunk IT department doesn't lose emails.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:49 pm to Willie Stroker
It's amazing to me they are even attempting this story. When Ray Nagin tried to do this it was at least a little funny. To think the IRS would try and pull off the same lie is sad.
But to answer your question, no where that I've worked in over 10 years are the emails stored on the persons computer. They come from a server that has back ups of back ups of back ups. Think of it this way, if you have your work email set up on your phone and your phone breaks or is lost you don't lose your emails.
For my main job if someone here tried to pull this Lee Zurik would eat our lunch.
But to answer your question, no where that I've worked in over 10 years are the emails stored on the persons computer. They come from a server that has back ups of back ups of back ups. Think of it this way, if you have your work email set up on your phone and your phone breaks or is lost you don't lose your emails.
For my main job if someone here tried to pull this Lee Zurik would eat our lunch.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:49 pm to zmoney2613
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No, they would have backups of backups. Even our po-dunk IT department doesn't lose emails.
Exactly!! complete shite.
our company has every email i've sent for the last 15 years backed up from our Exchange servers and on numerous iron mountain tapes offsite.
frickING bullshite.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:56 pm to CAD703X
quote:Same. Enterprise vault too.
our Exchange servers and on numerous iron mountain tapes offsite.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:22 pm to Willie Stroker
They wouldn't just have backups, they would backups put to tape and sent to different sites for disaster recovery.
It isn't even a possibility that they can't recover these emails, unless intentional. Daily incremental backups, weekly full backups, tapes, quarterly or annual restore testing, etc.
Does the IRS never get audited?
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What type of redundancies would an agency like IRS have to prevent lost emails?
It isn't even a possibility that they can't recover these emails, unless intentional. Daily incremental backups, weekly full backups, tapes, quarterly or annual restore testing, etc.
Does the IRS never get audited?
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:35 pm to Willie Stroker
I haven't really been following this, but the IRS is saying they lost emails forever because the lady's hard drive crashed?
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:37 pm to TigerBait1127
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Does the IRS never get audited?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:38 pm to Willie Stroker
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IRS emails - is it accurate that they could all be lost and not recoverable?
i will disagree, yes it is accurate that they could be lost and not recoverable. You should not underestimate how bad gov't IT is, especially the IRS. What self respecting IT person wants to work for the IRS?
But they probably aren't. I am sure someone "deleted" them but almost everything can be undeleted given enough time / effort / money.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:42 pm to Willie Stroker
this is the type of work i do, forensics, etc... is it possible? yes it is possible but VERY VERY HIGHLY unlikly
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:46 pm to gmrkr5
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is it possible? yes it is possible but VERY VERY HIGHLY unlikly
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:47 pm to Hawkeye95
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You should not underestimate how bad gov't IT is, especially the IRS. What self respecting IT person wants to work for the IRS?
bullshite bullshite bullshite.
we have a government client, the VA.
part 11 compliance
section 508
etc.
all are government processes to ensure protection, redundancy, access for ADA, etc. and make any contract with them as miserable as possible since they hold us accountable for these things as well.
if anything these processes would mean MORE red tape and backup checks and balances to ensure nothing is ever lost.
now i can believe these systems are so fricked up it might take a month to find something..but the idea the government isn't watching/monitoring/archiving everything their own workers are doing like a HAWK..especially the frickING IRS..is laughable.
eta PARTICULARLY something as sensitive as the revenue-collection arm of the government.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:49 pm to CAD703X
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now i can believe these systems are so fricked up it might take a month to find something..but the idea the government isn't watching/monitoring their own workers like a HAWK..especially the frickING IRS..is laughable.
exactly. i worked on a DoD contract for almost 8 years. if you think the federal government losing huge swaths of emails for any of their employees is a common occurrence, you're very wrong
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:52 pm to CAD703X
Has no one come out and blasted them for this extremely blatant lie?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:54 pm to CAD703X
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all are government processes to ensure protection, redundancy, access for ADA, etc. and make any contract with them as miserable as possible since they hold us accountable for these things as well.
if anything these processes would mean MORE red tape and backup checks and balances to ensure nothing is ever lost.
now i can believe these systems are so fricked up it might take a month to find something..but the idea the government isn't watching/monitoring/archiving everything their own workers are doing like a HAWK..especially the frickING IRS..is laughable.
eta PARTICULARLY something as sensitive as the revenue-collection arm of the government.
i agree that is very unlikely but its technically possible that it could have been lost and the gov't, especially the IRS which is just flat out incompetent at technology.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:00 pm to Hawkeye95
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but its technically possible that it could have been lost
thats true. but it would take a massive amount of incompetence or flat out deliberate sabotage to effectively erase all evidence of ingoing & outgoing email from an enterprise email server.
but because lois lerner's PERSONAL computer crashed they can't be recovered
we've taken hard drives damaged in fires and had data successfully recovered.
did her hard drive crash into the sun or something?
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:03 pm to CAD703X
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did her hard drive crash into the sun or something?
Ok that made me laugh, time to go home. Quitting time.Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:04 pm to CAD703X
The scenario that the IRS has been describing is almost impossible from a technical perspective. Furthermore, legal guidelines dictate electronic backups AND printed copies of IRS e-mails must be kept.
Assuming the IRS was following legal guidelines in the first place, the only possible way those e-mails could be lost is by deliberate sabotage of the electronic backups or paper copies. In either scenario, the law was broken.
Assuming the IRS was following legal guidelines in the first place, the only possible way those e-mails could be lost is by deliberate sabotage of the electronic backups or paper copies. In either scenario, the law was broken.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 4:04 pm to CAD703X
Did the people she sent the emails to suffer similar issues? Why not get the emails from their computers? I'm sure the NSA has a list of people she sent emails to during that span of time...
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