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Beginner's Tactics for Investing - Young and Self-Employed

Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:24 am
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:24 am
I need some basic advice. I'm self-employed and have no idea how to invest money. I have a few more years of student loan payments left @ 6.8% but I would also like to dip my toes into investment opportunities. My goals for the investment would be for a retirement account and I would also like to lessen my income tax burden. Talk to me like I'm 5 years old. Do I get a Roth IRA? I don't even know what that is, other than reading the wikipedia page.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 9:25 am
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:33 am to
Step one: Pay off student loans
Step Two : Roth IRA with index funds
Step Three/Four: Self Employed Retirement Plan with index funds and rental property.

IRS LINK

Now that will be 2% of all future earning. TIA.

ETA: You'll get some solid advice from people with varying backgrounds in this thread. It's up to you to decide what is best for your circumstances.

This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 9:35 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18883 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:34 am to
Yes, you get a Roth IRA. Thats a must.
Vanguard is probably your best option for an IRA.
You can open with with as little as $1,000 depending on which fund you chose, but most require a $3,000 initial investment.

Most will tell you to select a mutual fund comprised of 80-100% stocks.

IRA through Vanguard


Vanguard funds
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 9:35 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18883 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:37 am to
quote:

Step one: Pay off student loans


If he's got a few more years of paying off loans, but can still afford to contribute to a Roth, wouldn't you suggest contributing simultaneously?

Those few years will make quite a difference 30-35 years from now.
Posted by RickAstley
Reno, Nevada
Member since May 2011
1995 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:48 am to
I personally do not have any good feedback for the best vehicles to make use of if you are self employed. However I would suggest that you make sure you have your taxes and expenses in line before making a decision on your retirement investment vehicle.

Regarding retirement investing, if your income is expected to grow over the next few years, now might be the time to suggest opening a Roth IRA, and feeding money into it. If your income is at point perceived to only go down from here, you need to be looking at something such as a Traditional IRA. IRAs are a good way to take advantage of saving money on taxes, while also investing in yourself for your retirement years.

I suggest you make two lists. One list of expenses you wish to make over the next 5 years and beyond. Example:
1) Pay off student loans - $20k
2) Purchase a home - $200k
3) Pay for a wedding/honeymoon - $7500
4) Pay for child's tuition - $40k
5) Retire at the age of 60 - $500k

A second list of current expenses and a summary of how much you are spending per month. Example as follows:
1) Electricity/Water - $150
2) Cable/Internet - $150
3) Auto Insurance - $80
4) Grocery - $300

The first list will tell you what your goals are and allow you to come up with some ballpark figures for costs. The second list will tell you how much money you are spending relative to your income. You can then decide the best investment vehicles based on your goals. Short-term goals will require safe investments such as Savings Account or CDs. Long term investments such as retirement will direct you to put money into more risky investments such as stock mutual funds.

Do not blindly put money into something you are not sure about. At the same time, do not hesitate long enough to make your decision and suffer from opportunity costs.
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:16 am to
quote:

5) Retire at the age of 60 - $500k


I know it's just an example, but I think you're missing a zero somewhere...
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:17 am to
Roth IRA-this is just an account with special tax privileges.
Vanguard index funds are what I would buy and put in it
Posted by RickAstley
Reno, Nevada
Member since May 2011
1995 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:24 am to
quote:

I know it's just an example, but I think you're missing a zero somewhere...


Please tell me if you do not mind. I would feel pretty bad knowing I have been misusing a 'k' on dollar figures for who knows how long.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:43 am to
I just don't think it's realistic to retire at age 60 on $500k in 30-35 years. It's probably more like $5m.
Posted by kennypowers816
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2443 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:49 am to
quote:

I just don't think it's realistic to retire at age 60 on $500k in 30-35 years.

Agreed.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18883 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:58 am to
Yeah, you'd need more like 2 million. Thus demonstrating the beauty of steadily building your position in healthy dividend paying stocks

I mean...its an EXTRA retirement income!!!
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:59 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26979 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:01 am to
Max your Roth in Vangaurd index funds starting right now. As tempting as it is to pay off those loans early, you can never get back the years of missed Roth contributions.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18883 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:08 am to
quote:

As tempting as it is to pay off those loans early, you can never get back the years of missed Roth contributions.
exactly my point originally.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48889 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:10 am to
This is my thought

I know its probably the "wrong" thinking but I value time in a fund more than quick payoff of a loan

I would chip at the loan and do retirement at same time if possible

Is that bad?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7915 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:35 am to
quote:

As tempting as it is to pay off those loans early, you can never get back the years of missed Roth contributions.

exactly my point originally.


This. Max that Roth out, no new cars, houses, etc until the student loans are taken care of.
Posted by RickAstley
Reno, Nevada
Member since May 2011
1995 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:45 am to
I agree that $500k is more than likely not enough money for retiring at the age of 60. On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that the majority of Americans will have $500k or more saved up at the age of 60.
Posted by kennypowers816
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2443 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that the majority of Americans will have $500k or more saved up at the age of 60.


What does this have to do with your expectation of what you will need to retire? Are you expecting the government to bail everyone out and give them free money to retire? Or are you expecting all of those people to have to work until they are 80 to retire?
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:24 pm to
This is exactly what I wanted to hear and needed. I've been out of school three years and have been throwing everything at student loans but then had the epiphany that even though they're at 6.8%, they're easily manageable and I'm missing out on years of interest by not investing.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15746 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:44 pm to
If you are self employed with NO other employees, look at a solo 401k with fidelity or TD Ameritrade.

It allows you to put away 17500 as an employee and 20% of net profits after that. I think the limit is 52500 total.

If you have employees, SEP or SIMPLE may be worth a look.
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

On the other hand, I have a hard time believing that the majority of Americans will have $500k or more saved up at the age of 60.


For sure. That's why the majority of Americans ain't gonna retire at 60.
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